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Tuesday, November 07, 2006

Heard in recent days

Local-a sonna adutha varsham 'mental' gaali!

'tha annan Englis pesna George Bush out!
'kaali annan push-ups edutha Arnold out!
Annan kandi mass kaatna ella *star*-um out!
(The following takes the cake!)
'mala annan computer la kai vecha 'tha Bill Gates out-ra!

31 Comments:

  • onnume puriyala !?!?!

    By Anonymous ttm, at Tue Nov 07, 11:54:00 PM  

  • enakkum puriyalai. explanation warranted

    By Anonymous raj, at Wed Nov 08, 05:21:00 AM  

  • Annan I beleive is Alwarpet man...or was that way too obvious???

    By Blogger Sridhar(mutRupuLLi), at Wed Nov 08, 11:06:00 AM  

  • raj, ttm:
    Clue: Nov 7th :-D

    By Anonymous BNB, at Wed Nov 08, 12:06:00 PM  

  • "Adutha varusham 'Mental'gaali".

    That was a dead give away,he is referring to the 10A Vs Sivaji fight next year&yes,"annan"-KH

    By Anonymous Cinefan, at Wed Nov 08, 01:00:00 PM  

  • //'mala annan computer la kai vecha 'tha Bill Gates out-ra!// :lol:

    Annan is actually pretty computer savvy. Apparently he writes using screenplay software that automatically prepares optimal shooting schedules according to location/time/artistes-required etc.

    I guess Bill Gates got out, when Annan used the services of 'thillalangadi' thatha in Singaravelan.

    By Anonymous msp, at Thu Nov 09, 03:12:00 AM  

  • gokka makka nee gaaliaka pora

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Thu Nov 09, 06:31:00 PM  

  • ttm/raj,
    Mele koorappatulladhu sameebathil VV-thiraiyarangil kaanumbodhu Ulaganayaganin Udanpirappukkal silar koovikkooriya sorrkal :)...

    sridhar/bnb,
    Amaam amaam!

    cinefan,
    My personal opinion is that Jilebi has the upper hand obviously :)

    msp,
    That's interesting! Annan ippo Logistics domain SME-agavum aittara... :)
    And let's not forget the 'notebook' used in MMKR

    Anon,
    Apparam??

    By Blogger Bala (Karthik), at Fri Nov 10, 03:04:00 PM  

  • Jilebi has got a lot of expectations, as Thatha acts once in 3 yrs. But I dont think it will satisfy Thatha's fans. cos Shankar is a good director. Whenever a good director and Thatha make a movie, it turns out be a good one. Thatha fans dont like good movies rite?
    On the other hand, thalaivar's 10A is gradually building up the hype and is sure to stun the audiences. Who will not want to watch him in 10 roles? Its going to become a huge blockbuster. Hard work always succeeds.

    By Anonymous Deepak, at Sat Nov 11, 10:02:00 AM  

  • //Jilebi has got a lot of expectations, as Thatha acts once in 3 yrs. //

    LOL But thatha doesnt acts :P

    But I dont think it will satisfy Thatha's fans. cos Shankar is a good director .

    Shankar is one of the overrated guy in tamil cinema .. Except 2/3 movies all his movies are crap !!!

    By Anonymous great, at Sun Nov 12, 05:03:00 PM  

  • What's the reason behind this fond rechristening of Sivaji as Jilebi?

    By Blogger Zero, at Mon Nov 13, 10:58:00 AM  

  • enakku onnume purila... why are you saying kaali annan, mala annan and all that?! Typo? Am I missing something here?

    By Blogger Viji, at Mon Nov 13, 05:53:00 PM  

  • Viji, you missed the apostrophes. Or, did I miss your joke?

    By Blogger Zero, at Mon Nov 13, 08:29:00 PM  

  • Deepak,
    1) IMO Shankar is NOT a good director at all :)
    2) Unfortunately, even if a Rasini film is marginally better than Baba black sheep, its likely to be a big grosser... So whether the movie's good or not is secondary.

    When aracha maavu like Anniyan can become a hit ... ........ :)

    Great,
    "LOL But thatha doesnt acts :P"
    Exactly :)

    Zero,
    "What's the reason behind this fond rechristening of Sivaji as Jilebi? "
    Periya karanam onnum illa... poruthama irukku... Moreover, mental's aasthana jalrakkalin ondrana Anandha Vikatan-e had a series called "Sivaji vaayile jilebi" about the movie recently :)


    Viji,
    Bade wards ma... we (unna sekkale obviously) are bade elements :)
    BTW, Shakespeare "it was"-a "'twas" na othukkareenga aana......

    By Blogger Bala (Karthik), at Tue Nov 14, 06:45:00 PM  

  • thala bala, 10 role konjam gimmick maadhiri theriyalai ungalukku? :-)
    Aandavar nenaicha, indha gimmick ellaam illamaleye mahanadhi , hey ram maadhiri innoru masterpiece kodikkalame. En ippollam romba gimmick-dependent aagittaru?

    By Anonymous raj, at Tue Nov 14, 07:48:00 PM  

  • raj,
    neenga solra karuthu paravala sollappadra onnu dhaan...
    Adhavadhu the common allegation is that He uses make-ups/getups etc as props and the question asked is why does he need/use those props. Well, asking this question to someone like Vikram is valid. That his acting credentials and abilities cannot be questioned is a well established fact. That being the case, he isn't *hiding* behind these props [a performance boosting steroid]. He doesn't need to
    His reply to this question has been "This is like asking why fish live in water" or something similar.
    IMO, if he uses these props/gimmicks to mask any inability then the criticism is valid. Otherwise its just another novelty. I don't see that its necessarily a bad thing. Artistic prerogative, maybe… Namma ooru Peter Sellers perhaps :) For all we know, it may even be to "commercialize" to make his films more accessible… Also, I would prefer props like "get-ups" to props like songs which EVERY non art-house film-maker uses (even Shyam Benegal has succumbed).
    However, don't get me wrong, probably 10-A may not be even remotely close to Hey Ram/Mahanadhi's quality but that's a different matter altogether.

    Looking at his recent movies,
    Anbe Sivam - Was the drastic get-up change necessary?? Maybe, maybe not but it was a touching film nevertheless.
    Virumaandi - The get-up was ABSOLUTELY necessary. Period
    Alavandhaan - The movie shouldn't have been made in the first place :)
    Hey Ram - NOT a gimmick IMO
    Indian - More of a Shankar film and in any case, make-up was required for the old-age character. Didn't deserve a national award though, by his standards
    Avvai Shanmughi - Obvious! Tootsie or Mrs.Doubtfire, our man was a class apart. Can think only of Peter Sellers, apart from him. How is a man supposed to act like a woman without these gimmicks?

    The other 2 films in which make-up and were MMKR and Aboorva Sagodharargal which don't need any further explanation.

    To sum up, the point you are making might be valid…. However, I don't think it’s a big deal… Maybe it’s the attention-seeking child in him… maybe like he says, he gets bored of his face soon….maybe its his narcissism which other actors perhaps show in other ways… :)
    I haven't got tired of his gimmicks yet… maybe I will one day.. Maybe not… but it’s a peripheral issue and shouldn't take anything away from his writing/acting abilities

    By Blogger Bala (Karthik), at Wed Nov 15, 07:56:00 AM  

  • Zero- didnt understand it with/without apostrophes. :O
    Bala- aaha... right vidu.. :)
    -Viji

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Wed Nov 15, 03:57:00 PM  

  • bala, anbe sivam-la, the makeup wasnt redundant. The macho male romancing Kiran scenes were(irrelevant) though :-). Seriously, andha flashback konjam control panni irundhaa, I feel the movie would have been even better. Like, I am fine with showing the pre-accident alpha male changing into Sivam. But the communist overkill sort of detracted from the film.

    Mathabadi, I am fine with Virumandi and Hey Ram get ups. But Aboorva Sgodharargale, IMO, konjam gimmick role dhaan. Still, I appreciate his performance in the movie not for his uzhaippu in playing dwarf but for the effortless emoting as appu. Alavandhaan pathi neengale solliteenga. Remba over adhu.
    Indian oru SHANKAR padam. Adhaiyellam oru consideration-e kedayadhu. Adhai naan kamal padamnu eppovume solla matten. Shankar is responsible for Indian crap.

    MMKR-le enna perusaa makeup. Summa makeup changes illamale naalu role annan kalakkalai. Climax-la ore get-up-la naalu rolekkum vidhaysam soopera kaattalai. Body-language-leye yaaru madhan, yaaru kameswaran, yaaru raju, yaaru michale-nu namakku puriyalai. Andha kamal enge ponaaruya? Adhai thaan naan ketkaren.

    By Anonymous raj, at Wed Nov 15, 09:16:00 PM  

  • aanaal, hey ram-la, gun morphing into vasundara das (or vice versa), gandhi thanni oothufying on nachu plants graphics - idhellam romba sirupilali thanama irundhadhu :-)

    By Anonymous raj, at Wed Nov 15, 09:30:00 PM  

  • raj!
    It was sirupillai thanam for you. However annan makes movies for not just u and me!! He makes it for everyone. And Annan doesn't believe in art house cinemas or independant cinemas. he makes commercial, saleable cinemas for mainstream audiences, however with the best practices and earnestness of an art house film maker. So if he does a gimmick, it is like giing a toffy to a kid while telling him Ramayanam. At the end you want the kid to know ramayanam. As long as audiences can be captured, any gimmick is fine.

    By Blogger V.P.Jaiganesh, at Mon Nov 20, 12:44:00 PM  

  • raj,
    If KH should not resort to make-up/get-up 'gimmicks', then Quentin Tarantino must not resort to his non-linear-narrative gimmicks :)

    Adhukku dhaane avanga indha art/industry-la irukkanga...

    Abt the graphics in Hey Ram, i was also not very impressed with the execution... debatable whether the culprit was the intention or execution (or both) :)

    and i agree with jaiganes...
    Obviously, he can't keep giving films like Mahanadhi/Hey Ram (he still will from time to time) all the time if the people reject those films...
    He has to straddle both the worlds...

    And one important point is many don't realize how difficult these 'gimmicks' are to perform and not every actor can pull those roles off. Imagining other actors in many such roles/get-ups is hilarious! :)

    By Blogger Bala (Karthik), at Mon Nov 20, 04:42:00 PM  

  • Come on bala!!
    How can one forget Sathyaraj and his multiple get ups in Jallikattu.
    I hope that 10A is not similar to that. While others do it, the audience would spot the hero behind those getups, however when annan does it, there is no guessing unless it is told explicitly as done in Avvai Shanmugi or Indian. Diff getups are Kamal's way of keeping the audience guessing and interested. Particularly our audience whose attention span is competing with that of a newborn, it is a challenge indeed, both physically and monetarily. I am surprised that such a monumental effort spent at entertaining simple people can be criticized and labelled as a simple "gimmick".

    By Blogger V.P.Jaiganesh, at Tue Nov 21, 11:02:00 AM  

  • B(K), I'd agree with you but not Jaiganes(is it the same jaiganes of tfmpage?).
    Effort is immaterial to me. Only the end product is material. arubadhu varusham uzhaichu panninaalum, arubadhe naalule panninalum, my evaluation scales are the same.
    Yes, gimmicks might be difficult to do - but yeah. even Ajeeth did that in Citizen. Not that he managed a great performance but I dont think he was recognizable in some of the get-ups - until he opened his mouth, ofcourse!
    For an actor of the stature of Kamal, these gimmicks are not what we should appreciate. Let the public do that - let him make these films for the average jagannathans but beign a Kamal fan and claiming he is great because of these gimmicks is laughable. His performance in Pushpak for instance stands heads and shoulders above his gimmicks in Apoorva...etc. And he came as plain Kamal in that movie :-).

    Kamal is great not because he can perform some gymnastics/gimmicks not reproducible by others but because he is a great actor.period.

    By Anonymous raj, at Tue Nov 21, 11:41:00 AM  

  • bala,
    Also, I am aware that I cannot dictate how Kamal makes his movies - even in a blog space. Yes.
    But I definitely feel that by highlighting his gimmicks, his fans are reducing his greatness - something like Sivaji's fans tom-tomming his over-acting performances as opposed to his really great subtle performances

    By Anonymous raj, at Tue Nov 21, 11:45:00 AM  

  • hi raj!
    I am the same person.
    I am not saying that effort appreciation = appreciation of the task. I am only pointing out that the task was to create a good gimmick and it was an ejoyable one, still a level above what other lesser mortals could do. I call him a great actor coz even the maha easy task, he would bring a quality that others couldn't even recognize. Have you seen Maharasan? A movie where any other actor wouldn't have broken a sweat. However kamal brought so many minute things to that wafer thin character. I tell my team this to motivate. The work may be making a clay pot and not making a ganesha, as long as we give the best to making the clay pot, we will be ready when the opportunity to make ganesha comes by. Kamal is doing exactly that for the past 20 years and more. He is giving his best, even to the so called gimmicks and guest roles (remember thillu mullu climax?), so much so that when a Salangai Oli comes along he is able to completely touch new horizons. I am not praising him for his gimmicks, but I praise him for his attitude even for a role that we would have thought doesn't deserve more from him.

    By Blogger V.P.Jaiganesh, at Wed Nov 22, 02:11:00 PM  

  • jaiganes, i have one answer for that. Om Puri. The man brings so much to every minute role that he plays, including mindless Priyadarshan fares.It is the hallmark of a great actor to do that. To me, Om Puri stands in the same scale as Kamal. Except that he cannot do romance but adhellam thalaivarukku porappuleye vandhadhu adhanaala it cannot be a comparison point :-)

    Appuram vandhu, stop comparing him with the lesser mortals of kolyywood and be happy that he manages better fare than them. Kamal should have only one benchmark and that's himself. What I want to say is that let's evaluate Kamal according to absolute standards, not relative because the standards are so abysymally low in Kollywood that it would be below Kamal;s dignity to be hailed as "you are better than rajni, vijay, ajith et al".

    By Anonymous raj, at Wed Nov 22, 08:51:00 PM  

  • Raj,
    "But I definitely feel that by highlighting his gimmicks, his fans are reducing his greatness "
    - Naanga gimmicks-a mattum highlight pannala :)
    Maybe you disagree with the weightage given to 'gimmicks'....


    "something like Sivaji's fans tom-tomming his over-acting performances as opposed to his really great subtle performances "
    [Not related to this post but i guess its worth discussing]
    - 1) Sivaji overacted in MANY movies, agreed
    2) Subtlety is not for ALL roles. There are some roles where subtlety/underplay would be a misfit.

    Subtlety is a weapon/excuse used by many Mohanlal fans (many pretend to support Mohanlal just because they hate Aandavar).
    My point is that merely being subtle or underplaying doesn't equate to great acting. Certain roles (or scenes) require subtlety, certain roles require powerplay.
    For e.g Saket Ram couldn't have been "subtle" when Aparna is raped and her throat slit.

    By Blogger Bala (Karthik), at Thu Nov 23, 05:25:00 PM  

  • bala, agree on all counts.
    Yes, the percentage is probably where we differ. I really wish 10A is rejected so that he will stop doing these gimmicks again and give us a real good movie again.

    And, I am a sivaji fan so there's no question of me disparaging him. But I raelly hate fans who go ga-ga over paasa malar climax - the worst by him in my opinion. These are the kind of fans who prevented him from experimenting or doing a different kind of over-the-top role. I mean, Pudhiya paravai wasnt exactly a subtle performance but boy! wasn't it brilliant. I would have loved more of that ilk or even the plain, boring lakshmi kalyanam or edhiroli kind of movies.

    Adhe maadhiri, the kamal of hey Ram, Mahanadhi,MMKR - thats the sort of Kamal I would like to see. Not in the sense replaying those performances but a gimmick-free performance.The problem comes when Avvai, Thenali, Pammal etc are placed on the same pedestal as MMKR.

    What you say about Mohanlal might be true but thereis no denying ML is a great actor and a great performer. I would place him on par with Kamal but he doesnt do gimmicks well so maybe Kamal has an edge there - and also ofcourse romance, where noone can beat aandavar. Otherwise, though they are essentially not comparable, I would place them on the same pdestal

    By Anonymous raj, at Fri Nov 24, 04:00:00 PM  

  • raj,
    "I really wish 10A is rejected so that he will stop doing these gimmicks again and give us a real good movie again."
    Aahaa!!! Ayyaho!
    Vanmaya kandikkaren.... :-
    Kannathla pottukkonga :)

    P.S: Going by the 'inspired' promo still (courtesy http://avyuktha.blogspot.com) and Mallika Sherawat telling the media that she was given a DVD of MP - Holy Grail, we shouldn't be surprised to spot some inspired scenes/settings.
    All that said, let's wait for the final product. My only big worry is Himesh Reshamiya - will he deliver?

    Also, the topic "Why BO hits are necessary for even Aandavar" deserves a separate discussion on its own :)

    By Blogger Bala (Karthik), at Fri Nov 24, 05:29:00 PM  

  • Whoa, Holy Grail, eh? Thanks for the pointer!

    Now, I've to confess that I'm quite hooked on to this, after being totally dismissive of this venture. I still am, but to a much lesser extent.

    The first real interest came up when I wondered if this could be a revisionist take on his own filmography (yeah, yeah, self-indulgence, narcissism and what have you!) and Tamil cinema (keeping in mind the 'Navarathiri' connection).

    But, KSR (a right sort of man for a revision of 'Navarathiri', though) is disturbing presence. With fine control on these driting parameters, this might turn into something worthwhile.

    By Blogger Zero, at Fri Nov 24, 06:08:00 PM  

  • Of course, one can't stand any sort of music score by Himesh "Aaaargh" Reshammiya!
    That, in my opinion, is the biggest, very insulting gimmick. :)

    By Blogger Zero, at Fri Nov 24, 06:22:00 PM  

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