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Friday, October 12, 2007

Numero Tres

After Raaja and Rahman, it's Yuvan next. It's now official because soonapaana says so!
P.S: Its in the freakin blood
P.S 2: "Paravaye engu irukkirai" (Tamil M.A)
P.S 3: Superb lyrics!

posted by Bala (Karthik) at 11:41 PM

33 Comments:

  • Only if he doesn't croon his heart out in his songs.

    Raaja and Rahman are invincible, comparing their body of work to Yuvan's would only demoralize the lad. Moreover, you haven't listened to "Vel" yet, Rahman's and Raja's standards are too high that their songs don't end up being as stale as Yuvan's. But if we are to compare their (first) seminal works from their respective careers, like Rahman's "Roja" to Raaja's "16 Vayadhinile" to Yuvan's "Poovellam kettupaar". Yuvan's work in songs is not that far away.

    Let's not get into the BGM as yet.

    - Thilak.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Sat Oct 13, 12:08:00 PM  

  • Bala,

    IMO, Yuvan has got a loooooong way to go to reach the HEIGHTS of IR or ARR. Ithu pathi romba nALA detail-a ezhuthanumnu nenechittu irunthEn, as I have seen some trying to compare him with ARR, which is to me is a blasphemy. Would like to see what others got to say about this.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Sun Oct 14, 12:44:00 AM  

  • >> "Roja" to Raaja's "16 Vayadhinile" to Yuvan's "Poovellam kettupaar". Yuvan's work in songs is not that far away. >>

    Enna Thilak ippadi solliteenga? Comparing Roja and 16 VayathinilE with PoovellAm un vaasam :shock:
    Athukkum ithukkum rommmmmba thooram.

    IR and ARR are path brakers who easily changed the trend with just a couple of movies. Antha mAthiri path break paNNuRathukkAna adaiyaaLam ethuvum Yuvankitta 8 varushathukku appuRamum theriyala. And IMO, it's too late for him to bring about a change or trend.

    His success rate within this 8 years is very minimal and nothing compared to the success rate of ARR and IR in their first couple of years. He could be considered as a better MD among HJ vagaiyaraa but after Raja and Rahmannu solRa aLavukku puthusA, fresh-A yArAvathu thideernu athiradiyA oru genius vanthathAn uNdu :-)

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Mon Oct 15, 10:48:00 PM  

  • of course Roshan. "rommbaaaa thooram thaan" but if you're to compare their respective oeuvres, romba romba thooram.. In fact, I would stick out my head to say that "Udhiri pookal"/"Veedu" are outstanding works of 'art' in BGM (And even songs), while RAhman's work in "Iruvar" is excellent and has proved himself in BGM, While Yuvan hasn't proved at all. Especially his work in KT recently is jarring at times, but it's just about good, not the sky high standards that Rahman has set for himself (let's not go to Raaja for that matter). And, Rahman has decades left, with talent to burn. So I don't see Yuvan taking over the mantle..my rendu paisa..

    TPSK.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Tue Oct 16, 10:37:00 AM  

  • He does sometimes hop to number 2 before dropping back to number 3. I loved the Pattiyal album - 3-4 memorable nos with good lyrics. (a) Needs to stop singing - if he is trying to get that soulful, nasal style of his father, he should forget it now. His voice is immature and maybe he should wait for another decade. (b) Stop lifting tunes, etc - appapa familiar nedi adikudhu in his works (c) Sometimes seems to attempt too many movies at the same time. and a bunch of other negative points prob ...

    But he has much better feel for 'native feel' than number 2 - big advantage. Paruthi Veeran is an egjampul.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Tue Oct 16, 03:35:00 PM  

  • Thilak:
    Just heard 'Vel' - horrible.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Tue Oct 16, 07:12:00 PM  

  • bnb,
    Do you really believe a film like 'Vel'will have good music.I mean if IR/ARR work with Hari,the result is likely to be the same.

    Can't understand why Surya stopped work on Gautham's 'Varanam Aaayiram' to do this crap.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Wed Oct 17, 11:00:00 AM  

  • cinefan:

    IR for R Sundarrajan, ARR for S.J.Suryah - Enna solringa? Both the MDs didn't (and couldn't) stoop down to Yuvan's (or HJ's for that matter) standards..

    BNB,

    "Vel"-a download thaan pannaen. Deleted it after hearing 'em. :)

    TPSK

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Thu Oct 18, 11:04:00 AM  

  • Roshan/Thilak,
    Of course, there can be no comparisons between the big two and Yuvan.
    oru AruvakkOLArula adichitten :)

    What i meant was after Raaja and Rahman, i like listening to his songs at present.


    BNB,
    He does sometimes hop to number 2 before dropping back to number 3. I loved the Pattiyal album - 3-4 memorable nos with good lyrics. (a) Needs to stop singing - if he is trying to get that soulful, nasal style of his father, he should forget it now. His voice is immature and maybe he should wait for another decade. (b) Stop lifting tunes, etc - appapa familiar nedi adikudhu in his works (c) Sometimes seems to attempt too many movies at the same time. and a bunch of other negative points prob ...

    But he has much better feel for 'native feel' than number 2 - big advantage. Paruthi Veeran is an egjampul.

    romba sariya sonneenga! Exactly my thoughts.
    Also, in BGM, he is right up there (sometimes better than Rahman)...

    Cinefan,
    Though IR has Mayakkanadis and Rahman has Parasurams, like Thilak said, they have also made quality musical commercials from crap.

    By Blogger Bala (Karthik), at Thu Oct 18, 11:26:00 AM  

  • P.S 3: Superb lyrics!

    Has Yuvan started writing lyrics too?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Fri Oct 19, 03:33:00 PM  

  • Ya,Ya,I jumped the gun.IR many many times&ARR sometimes have given good music for directors without any taste but I hate Hari so much that i believe nobody can do quality work with him.

    As said before,can't understand why Surya chose to work with him again.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Fri Oct 19, 04:00:00 PM  

  • ennamo bala the song didnt sound great to me, especially Maestro's voice :(
    keeping my judgement reserved on Yuvan :)

    By Blogger The Talkative Man, at Mon Oct 22, 08:39:00 AM  

  • He's good, but not great. And I doubt if he'll ever become great. Btw, as Thilak has said, he'll do much better if he just stops singing!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Mon Oct 22, 02:00:00 PM  

  • After IR and ARR, (and ofcourse deva's gaanaas :) :) I am sure Ill receive a reply for this)

    I like Yuvan. (right from Thullavathoe ilamai and not poovellam kettupaar.. dheena was special.. but couldn't notice *him* there for obvious reaons :P)

    Yuvan's problem is his consistency. He delivers chennai 28 and within days he delivers Thottaal poo malarum.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Mon Oct 29, 05:54:00 PM  

  • Am I the only one who feels Karthik Raja is better than YSR? Give me albums like Dum Dum Dum or Ullasam anyday!

    By Blogger F e r r a r i, at Wed Oct 31, 08:40:00 PM  

  • Anon,
    Though the post is on Yuvan, i didn't intend crediting Yuvan with the lyrics :)

    TTM,
    I'm not surprised when people say they don't like Ilaiyaan's or Kamal's voice. Not the smoothest of voices but i love their singing..

    Madhu,
    "Yuvan stop singing" capmaign has already bene kick-started by our BNB and i have signed the petition whole-heartedly!

    Selva,
    Yuvan's problem is his consistency. He delivers chennai 28 and within days he delivers Thottaal poo malarum
    Exactly!

    Reg Deva and his gaanas: While it is a crime to bracket him alongside the greats, he is the King of Gaanas, no two ways about it..

    Ferrari,
    KR is very talented but call it bad luck or whatever, he didnt hit big time :(
    Going by the repertoire of work, i think Yuvan is ahead.
    Agree with you on Dum dum dum, especially. Wonder why the film didnt click - it was tight, decent performances, good music and a great comedy track by vivek...

    By Blogger Bala (Karthik), at Thu Nov 01, 01:33:00 PM  

  • While IR's or KH's, or even Bob Dylan's voice may not be perfect, they often sound more authentic. It conveys lot of intensity/passion that many properly trained singers often fail to convey. I think the quirkiness/idiosyncrasies of their voices adds character to the song.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Mon Nov 05, 09:14:00 PM  

  • >> Yuvan's problem is his consistency. He delivers chennai 28 and within days he delivers Thottaal poo malarum >>

    Selva and Bala,

    Puriyaleye :rolingeyes: consistency or inconsistency?

    And regarding Deva and Gaana I agree. As Vivek rightly said once "Gaana Ulagathukku Naathan - first-u Deva SaarthAn" :)

    Bala,
    Regarding Dum Dum Dum I too had the same question regarding it's success after watching it on Indiya tholaikaatchigalil recently ;) :)

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Mon Nov 05, 11:53:00 PM  

  • BNB,
    While IR's or KH's, or even Bob Dylan's voice may not be perfect, they often sound more authentic.
    Exactly. In fact, western singers-oda compare-e panna mudiyadhu, apart from classical/opera singers of course. There, the norm is rough raspy voices (like Dylan's), not on thEn mAdhiri voice.... In fact, shruthi sudhame anga mukkiyam illa, and why should it be? The grammar there is different.
    Who would ever complain about Kurt Cobain or Axl Rose having a "bad" voice? :)

    Roshan,
    adhe adhe, inconsistency :)

    By Blogger Bala (Karthik), at Tue Nov 06, 01:06:00 PM  

  • In fact, western singers-oda compare-e panna mudiyadhu..
    Though it looks like contradicting my own "Exactly", what i mean is, "voice sweetness" (for want of a better phrase) is not everything...

    By Blogger Bala (Karthik), at Tue Nov 06, 01:07:00 PM  

  • "While IR's or KH's, or even Bob Dylan's voice may not be perfect, they often sound more authentic"
    Vadakke sila peru idhaye thaan Kumar Sanukkum solraanga...
    adikka varadeenappa - I'm second to none in my fandom of IR and Kamal, although Kamal's singing is not my cup of tea - I dont think he added much to ,say,Sundari Neeyum, that Jesu anna couldnt have done, including "passion" or even better SPB - ofcourse on-screen-la avar kattina passion vera yaarum katti irukka mudiyaadhu :-)

    Appuram Then paandi seemaiyilea- I think IR beat Kamal fair and square on this one.Not that there is any sense in comparing.

    Akkadannu from Indian - any one else have sung that with better results.
    I cant think of too many songs that are like, only Kamal could have brought this expression - one song I can think of is Thanmaanam Ulla Nenjam from Mahanadhi. Now, thats something even IR couldnt have matched:-)

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Wed Nov 07, 03:33:00 AM  

  • Raj,
    Vadakke sila peru idhaye thaan Kumar Sanukkum solraanga
    aaaargggg!!!!!!!!!!!
    You blaspheme Raj, you blaspheme! :)

    Like i said, its understandable that not many *tolerate* IR and Kamal singing :)

    About Kamal being replaced by other singers, what's ur take on:

    "pOttu vaitha kAdhal thittam" - Vetri Vizha

    "pon mAnE" - Oh mAnE mAnE

    "Raja kayya vechA" - AS (Ther is an SPB track of the same song. I found the KH version to be better)

    "ninaivO oru paravai" - SR

    "azhage azhagu" - Raajapaarvai

    "panneer pushpangaLE" - She is like that only

    I think these are songs which i, as an "apologist" for Kamal's singing can put forward without embarrassment to others :)

    By Blogger Bala (Karthik), at Wed Nov 07, 12:52:00 PM  

  • bala, yeh, its blasphemy and I dont agree with them either but thats how it is - sometimes, only fans can see things others don't. It's a strange thing - the thing I like about IR's singing is the passion and the emotion he brings to the table - that coincides with my definition of "passion", "emotion". What happens is Sanu fans find "emotion", "passion" in his singing which makes up for the nasal assault. Now, I dont agree with their definition of "passion" but thats how it is - in theory, my definition of passion is sort o equivalent in merit to their definition of passion, illaya, if we want to be liberal :-)

    On your list:
    "pOttu vaitha kAdhal thittam" - Vetri Vizha - no, this is Singaaravelan - but anyway, Im not a fan of this song and the electronic drone sing-along that accompanies Kamal's singing. Grant it though - very few others could have sung it the way probably intended by IR - is this hard rock or something?



    "pon mAnE" - Oh mAnE mAnE - kettadhillai.

    "Raja kayya vechA" - AS (Ther is an SPB track of the same song. I found the KH version to be better)
    - again, grant it to you, kamal version has more verve, more masculinity and more mechanic-porukki shove-it-in-your-*** irreverence.
    "ninaivO oru paravai" - SR - not so sure, I think SPB may have done a better job.

    "azhage azhagu" - Raajapaarvai - no two opinions, Jesu anna cannto be matched for smooth delivery of the complex sandhams, though Kamal may have shown more passion and emotion, the difficult phrases would have tripped him and exposed him badly.

    "panneer pushpangaLE" - She is like that only - great example - another Kamal only song. Just cant think of any one else. Actually, I seem to prefer Kamal doing sort of defiant pathos - like thanmanam ulla nenjam - vaazhkaiyila romba adipattu aanalum thalai kuniyaadha oruvanin Warcry maadhiri song. Same with panneer pushpangale - paanjali vazhndha paridhaba vaazhvai paaratta yarum illai - enna varigal. Similar emotion. A sort of homage to the woman who defied everyone and defending her self-respect. So, there seems to be a pattern to either kamal's strengh as a singer of certain type or the pattern is just my taste :-)

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Wed Nov 07, 10:43:00 PM  

  • >> Roshan,
    adhe adhe, inconsistency :)>>

    Thanks Bala :) but Selva kodutha examples konjam kozhapiduchu. IMO, thottAl poo malarum is reasonably good.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Thu Nov 08, 12:31:00 PM  

  • It's a strange thing - the thing I like about IR's singing is the passion and the emotion he brings to the table - that coincides with my definition of "passion", "emotion". What happens is Sanu fans find "emotion", "passion" in his singing which makes up for the nasal assault. Now, I dont agree with their definition of "passion" but thats how it is - in theory, my definition of passion is sort o equivalent in merit to their definition of passion, illaya, if we want to be liberal :-)
    romba nalla vAdham :thumbsup:

    the difficult phrases would have tripped him and exposed him badly.
    I disagree. Starting from the aalaap, Thala would have pulled it off IMO. Like i said, i believe that to a large extent, it is his *voice* which can be held against him rather than his "singing".
    In fact, talking about Das Anna and his indispensability, one song which no other singer alive could have pulled off IMO was "pArtha vizhi" (Guna). Wow!

    Raj,
    idhellam vidunga, enga Annan Himesh Reshmiyaa varaaru paarunga..... eppadi "kalakkaraau nu mattum paarunga"..

    "Junoo(n) Junoo(n) Junoo(n) " X n
    "Dasa Dasa Dasa " X n^2

    By Blogger Bala (Karthik), at Fri Nov 09, 07:30:00 AM  

  • "pOttu vaitha kAdhal thittam" - Vetri Vizha - no, this is Singaaravelan
    What the fuck!
    Sorry Raj, what a goof up. And i was sober when i wrote this!!!
    :)

    By Blogger Bala (Karthik), at Fri Nov 09, 07:32:00 AM  

  • Raj:
    It's interesting that you should mention that. During the recent Gemini TV interview with Ramya Krishnan, KH said he worked for some Christian propaganda organisation in his younger days briefly - he said that working for them gave him insight into how religion worked.

    Bala:
    The issue of Kumudham dated 31/10 had a review of the Dasa music. They almost sound like they heard it ;-)

    ...

    முகுந்தா முகுந்தா கிருஷ்ணா முகுந்தா வரம் தா பிருந்தாவனம் தா பாடலை நம்மூர்
    ஸ்டைல் லில் ரொம்ப சாஸ் த்ரியமாக முயற்சி செய்திருக்கிறார் வட இந்தி யா ஹிம்மேஷ் . காபி ராக சாயலில் அமைந்துள்ள முகுந்தாவில் அனாவசிய வாதியா இரைச்சல் இல்லை. வீணை, ம்ருதங்கம், கடம் ஆனந்தமாய் ஒலிக்கிறது. சாதனா சர்கத்தின் தொண்டையில் நிரந்தரமாக தேன் தடவியிரிக்கிறதோ என்னமோ , அப்படியொரு குழைவு, இளமை . சொல்ல போனால் தசாவதாரத்தின் ஐந்து பாடல்களில் இதில் மட்டுமே கர்நாடக சங்கீதத்தை கேட்க முடிகிறது.

    மல்லிகா ஷெராவத்தின் துள்ளலான ஆட்டத்திற்கு ராப் ஸ்டைல் லில் விளையாடியிருபவர் கமலின் மகள் ஸ்ருதி. பல்லவியை ஆங்க்திலத்தில் ஆரம்ப்தித்து அனு பல்லவியின் போது தமிழுக்கு வருகிறார். வாத்திய இரைச்சல் சற்று அதிகம் என்றாலும் மேற்கத்திய இசை ரசிகர்களின் தோள் லி குலுக்கி குதிகாலை தூக்கி ஆட வைக்கலாம். முழுவதும்

    அமெரிக்காவில் எடுக்கப்பட்ட அட்டகாசம்.

    வழக்கமாக கமல் பாடும் போது வாயில் எதையோ அடக்கி கொண்டு பாடுவது போல் தெரியும் .தசாவதாரத்தில் அவர் பாடும் டூயட் 'ஒ ஒ சனம்' பெட்டர். முழுவதும் மேடையில் பாடுவது போன்ற காட்சி. இடையிடையே உஸ் உஸ் என்று சீரும் அலை ஓசை வித்தியாசமானது. பாட்டின் பல இடங்களில் கிதார் ரகளை செய்கிறது!

    "உடல் பூமிக்கு போகட்டும்
    இசை பூமியை ஆளட்டும் "
    கடவுளும் கந்த சாமியும்
    பேசி கொள்ளும் மொழி இசை
    வீழ்வது யாராயினும்
    வாழ்வது நாடாகட்டும்

    போன்ற வைர முத்துவின் நயமான வரிகள் பாட்டு நெடுகிலும் உண்டு.

    படத்தின் கிளிமாசில் எல்லா கமல்களும் அணி வகுக்கும் போது ஆர்பாட்டமாக வருவது:

    "உலக நாயகனே ... கண்டங்கள் கண்டு வியக்கும் உலக நாயகனே !"

    ராப், ஹிந்துஸ்தானி , எல்லாவற்றையும் அழகாக கலந்து கொடுத்திருக்கிறார் இசையமைப்பாளர். கமல் ரசிகர்கள் திரைக்கு முன்பு ஓடி வந்து நாக்கை மடக்கி வெறியாட்டம் போட வைக்கிற அதிரும் பீட். அந்த 'கிடதங்க கிடதங்க' பின்னணி அருமை.கமல் ரசிகர்களை சுடேற்றுவதகாகவே 'நீ பெரும் கலைஞன் , நிரந்தர இளைஞன் என்ற வைர முத்துவின் கேத்தான வரிகள் வேறு . கேட்கவா வேண்டும்.

    ஹிம்மேஷ் இசையை கண்ணை மூடி கொண்டு கேட்கின்ற போது சற்று ரஹ்மானை நினைவு படுத்தினாலும் தமிழுக்கு அந்த பீட்டுகளும், அலறும் வயலின்களும், வேகமும் புதிது. மேற்கத்திய வாடை சற்று தூக்கல். நம்மூர் கர்நாடிக் மியூசிக்க்கை ஊறுகாய் போல தொட்டுக்க் கொண்டு விட்டு விட்டாரே என்ற ஏக்கமும் வராமல் இல்லை . ஆனால் தயாரிப்பாளர் கல்லாவை பார்பாரா , கார்னடிக்கை பார்பரா ?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Fri Nov 09, 10:03:00 AM  

  • BNB,
    Yeah read that kumudham "review".
    They must've heard it. Might be Oscar's "sample"....

    By Blogger Bala (Karthik), at Fri Nov 09, 10:46:00 AM  

  • bala, himesh-ai nenacha vayiru kalangudhu :-(
    But enakkenna thonudhunna, santhana barathi guna-vai direct panninarngara maadhiri, Himesh Dasa-vukku music pottaru appdinnu solli Kamal-e music-aiyum paarthupporunnu...enna pandradhu ippadi ellam yopsichu dhaan thethikka vendi irukku.

    Andha Gautami interview-la I think IR said "Avar achieve pannadha vishayam onnu irukku.." , maybe thats music direction and maybe he'll do that in Dasa, albeit by proxy:-)

    Readding BNB's excerpt, ore oru note mattum therinja Himesh eppadi he can compose mukunda in kapi ellaam. My imaginiation:
    Kamal: Himesh, is situation ke liye 'kapi' me ek tune karenge
    Himesh: Kapi, no, no, in North India, hum log only peethe Tea, no kapi, no kapi

    :-)

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Fri Nov 09, 08:57:00 PM  

  • orsBNB, andha religion matter-ai vittu thallunga. I am sure he has conviction of his beliefs. I think I made a rather mean comment earlier - vaapas vaangikkaren.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Fri Nov 09, 09:00:00 PM  

  • "Thamizhukku andha alarum violingal pudhidhu" - idhellaam remba over. Rajavum , Rahmanum pannadha ennathia indha sundaikkai himesh pannida poraan? Over build-uppu paa.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Fri Nov 09, 09:02:00 PM  

  • >> Andha Gautami interview-la I think IR said "Avar achieve pannadha vishayam onnu irukku.." , maybe thats music direction and maybe he'll do that in Dasa, albeit by proxy:-) >>

    No, there IR was referring to God Worshiping as one thing that KH has not achieved/done so far. KH himself spoke about it in the very same interview.


    >> . ஆனால் தயாரிப்பாளர் கல்லாவை பார்பாரா , கார்னடிக்கை பார்பரா ? >>

    Typical Kumudam Style :lol:

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Sat Nov 10, 12:42:00 AM  

  • Roshan, thats what Kamal interpreted but enakkennavo, IR was hinting at Music-nu dhaan thonaradhu. Because, kadavulai kumbiduvadhu- its just a personal thing and not an achievement - if anything, IR might have achieved someething by converting Kamal into believer. I dont think IR is that stupid to believe that he has to convert Kamal - they have a great relationship and that is on the respect for each others' beliefs. So, I think IR hinted MD-ing, which I guess Kamal might quite be capable of - and thats surely can be called an 'achievement'.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Tue Nov 13, 12:22:00 AM  

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