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Tuesday, November 13, 2007

ATM

A Vijay fan commented thus in an internet forum after watching ATM and seeing the lukewarm response:

Hopefully, Vijay doesn't take ATM as a blow to his experimentation phase


Doomsday is near, i'm afraid!

42 Comments:

  • Intha Kamal fans ellam ippadithaan...Kamal ore padathulla pathu rola panna athu periya vishayam...aana Dr Vijay ore rola pathu varushuma panna, athu periya vishayam illaiya... Evalvu steady enga aalu...Ippa avare experiment pannuraru..double role vera.....evalavu risku...Ada ponga pa...

    By Blogger mutRupuLLi, at Tue Nov 13, 11:27:00 AM  

  • :)

    Saw any Diwali releases?.Somehow none of them look interesting though have been reading good words on Polladhavan.

    BTW,ARR fans are going ga-ga on ATM's music,why is it that the snatches I have heard sound so uninteresting.

    Is it just me or should I listen to all the songs 10 times each to start liking them?

    By Anonymous Cinefan, at Tue Nov 13, 01:00:00 PM  

  • ATM songs are total waste... dont get fooled by these arr FANS. they will ask u to listen to the same crap again and again to like it..

    By Blogger Karthikeyan, at Tue Nov 13, 08:40:00 PM  

  • haha...ithai ellam poi perusa eduthikittu..

    By Blogger feddy, at Wed Nov 14, 01:11:00 AM  

  • Bala,

    :lol:

    Enakku antha Vijay fan comment pAthu kaNNula thaNNiyE vanthuduchu :(

    I had no words, oru emotion mattum pOttEn.

    By Anonymous Roshan, at Wed Nov 14, 12:19:00 PM  

  • கண்டிப்பா கலி முத்திடுத்துன்னு தானே இதுக்கு அர்த்தம்!

    By Blogger Zero, at Wed Nov 14, 05:19:00 PM  

  • Bala, vijay fans forum ellam visit pannuviyalo? :-)
    Talking of experiments...
    Incidentally, I was watching Departed yesterday - oru chinna karpanai I had - with Kamal playing De Niro(was it De niro, namakku hollywood avvalava theriyadhupa)'s role(sort of guest role aakkidalam becausee otherwise kamal fans will lynch the director) and any of Vikram/Ajith/Surya/Bharath playing the two younger undercover cop and undercover gangster roles. Okay, Virkam would be too old for that but his limited skills might still suit the Matt Damon role.
    It is a bit too dry for a tamil movie but nevertheless eppadiyum these guys act in many flop masala movies - ippadi oru padam compromise pannama eduthittu adhu flop aana kooda parava illaye. Ada,,even Vijay might suit one of the roles :-)

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Wed Nov 14, 07:24:00 PM  

  • Sridhar,
    :)

    Cinefan,
    Deepavali release onnume paakkala.
    Saw the following movies on TV: Naan Avan Illai, Pokkiri, Gilli, Sennai 28 (again) :)) idhu Ilayathalabadhi vaaram!

    About ATM meesic - Just listened to it once. "Ella Pugazhum" was catchy.
    Honestly, podhuva Rahman songs shouldn't be written off in the first hearing (i had to eat my own words after i dissed Munbe Va and Newyork Nagaram on the first hearing last year :lol: )
    That said, indha pada songs don't sound impressive at all... indha padathukku Rahman paattu thevaye illa..

    Feddy,
    mudiyale Feddy, mudiyale :(

    Roshan,
    yes, words escaping only!

    Zero,
    lol (appadiye kaadhula andha vasanam olikkara madhiri irukku)
    Amaam amaam.

    Anon,
    You mean Jack Nicholson.
    Thalaivar padathula Jack Nicholson-a nadikka vaippom, aanan edhukku andha remake la nadikkanum-nen? :)
    Amaam, neenga yaarunnu sollave illiye...

    By Blogger Bala (Karthik), at Thu Nov 15, 12:54:00 PM  

  • Bala,
    Agree that a work of art shouldn't be dismissed after 1 hearing/viewing/reading.

    But am irritated that everytime ARR comes out with an album,am asked to hear it 10 times to like it.

    He HAS given albums which are instantly likable,it's not that he is the kind of MD whose music always takes time to grow on you.

    ATM is ordinary by any standards,so why strain to make it a 'classic'.

    By Anonymous Cinefan, at Thu Nov 15, 02:35:00 PM  

  • bala, the point is not that Jack Nicholson is a great actor - padam was superb. Andha maadhiri en tamizhla vara koodadhu - Ilayaraja once soonaaram - Idhuvaraikkum naan oorugai dhaan pottirukken sappadu potadhilanu.
    I really long for once chinna cute oorugai from nammavaru. Eppavume ful meals dhaan poduraaru :-)
    Oru variety-ku dhaan - just a no-frills role just like that casuala-a panna mattaranu irukku - eppa paaru kamal behind so much make up (uyira kuduthu nadikkaradhu) paarthu paarthu romba simple kamal oru dhadavaiyavadhu paarka maatomonu aayiduthu adhukku dhaan.
    Indha role onnum periya vishayam illai dhaan - pisathu prakash raj-e pannuvan but ennanna, why not HE appear in all sorts of roles and show that he can do anything and everything - paisaku paisa aachu) to invest in Marudhu). He will elevate such a movie to high levels even in that guest role adhdukku dhaan. Why should every role be performance-oriented - how nice if he can be in some movies in which he is just part of a great movie without his performance standing out. Idhu enakku oru aasai - ungalai maadhiri rasigargal dhayau pannanum - kamal padamna kamal heroism pannniye aaganum, romance pannniye aaganumnu ilaama konjam avaraiyum oru saadharana role-la paarka vidungalen. I thought a senior gangster who has no frills - is just an ordinary man who has risen to head a gang by virtue of his longevity and nothing special about him - idhai en kamal panna koodadhu? Kamal-na larger-than-life thaan irukkanuma? This is a problem of being a non-mainstream kamal fan for me.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Fri Nov 16, 05:17:00 AM  

  • >> Oru variety-ku dhaan - just a no-frills role just like that casuala-a panna mattaranu irukku - eppa paaru kamal behind so much make up (uyira kuduthu nadikkaradhu) paarthu paarthu romba simple kamal oru dhadavaiyavadhu paarka maatomonu aayiduthu adhukku dhaan.
    Indha role onnum periya vishayam illai dhaan - pisathu prakash raj-e pannuvan but ennanna, why not HE appear in all sorts of roles and show that he can do anything and everything >>

    Well said :) That's precisely why I liked him in VV. Antha role-a yaaru vEnaalum paNNalaamnu silar solRanga, but antha aLavukku elegant-a, smart-a, stylish-a yaarAleyum paNNa mudiyAthu. But sad that, even some 'real' fans are unable to accept it :(

    By Anonymous Roshan, at Fri Nov 16, 09:33:00 PM  

  • Anon was me,
    Raj

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Sun Nov 18, 02:41:00 AM  

  • Jokes aside, I agree with the general idea in the sort of casting that anon has suggested.

    Why, let me go a step further and make an all-too-laughable claim. If bigwigs like Kamal Haasan, Mani Ratnam etc. or other important directors like Bala, Balaji Sakthivel (why even, Selvaraghavan, Vishnuvardhan) etc. join hands with an actor like Vijay or Ajith, it'd be a welcome move on paper, as far as I'm concerned. I seriously mean it!

    By Blogger Zero, at Sun Nov 18, 04:23:00 PM  

  • Anonymous avargale: Departed padathukkum kuruthipunalkum sila sambanthangal irukungarathae neenga note pannaleeya?. You can replace martin sheen and mark whalberg from departed with arjun and kamal from KP.Ofcourse Main villan jack nicholson role stands out top in the movie as u said, but here Nassar took the honours.

    By Blogger feddy, at Mon Nov 19, 05:50:00 AM  

  • Sobbbbaaaa.. ippove kanna kattudhe... EKSI!
    Btw- "About me" super! kalakkara po. :)

    By Blogger Viji, at Mon Nov 19, 02:45:00 PM  

  • yeah, it was me bala. (I take it you posted that "it was me, Raj" comment :-) )
    I was posting from a place where I needed to minimise typing.
    Yes, I did think of the similarity with KurudhiPunal(beore you suggested here) but Kamal played the 'hero' there. I would want him to play an out-and-out Negative but not a caricature villain like Abhay(ok that wasnt caricature but it was close)

    I think Zero got the spirit of my comment - We dont need GREAT actors for great movies - competent actors are enough if supplemented by the ONE GREAT actor we have. While I would want as much of that GREAT ACTOR in as much GREAT ROLES as possible, I would also be greedy enough to want him in some simple roles, which dont add much to his acting profile or greatness, but become part of a fantastic movie which would then add to his mythology. I dont want another Sivaji Ganesan, with a large part of his competence going unused(Even if that competence is not a glamorous, obviously good looking ,stylish part of his skills). Like I said, appappo oorugaiyum kodutha sandhosha paduven - I dont need full meals every time from him. But thats just ME.

    (and like Zero said, all these vijays, ajiths are not even 'very good' actors but they are competent enough to be part of some good movies -afterall, who would have thought Di Caprio could do such a good job in Departed :-)

    By Anonymous raj, at Mon Nov 19, 09:29:00 PM  

  • yeah, it was me bala. (I take it you posted that "it was me, Raj" comment :-) )
    I was posting from a place where I needed to minimise typing.
    Yes, I did think of the similarity with KurudhiPunal(beore you suggested here) but Kamal played the 'hero' there. I would want him to play an out-and-out Negative but not a caricature villain like Abhay(ok that wasnt caricature but it was close)

    I think Zero got the spirit of my comment - We dont need GREAT actors for great movies - competent actors are enough if supplemented by the ONE GREAT actor we have. While I would want as much of that GREAT ACTOR in as much GREAT ROLES as possible, I would also be greedy enough to want him in some simple roles, which dont add much to his acting profile or greatness, but become part of a fantastic movie which would then add to his mythology. I dont want another Sivaji Ganesan, with a large part of his competence going unused(Even if that competence is not a glamorous, obviously good looking ,stylish part of his skills). Like I said, appappo oorugaiyum kodutha sandhosha paduven - I dont need full meals every time from him. But thats just ME.

    (and like Zero said, all these vijays, ajiths are not even 'very good' actors but they are competent enough to be part of some good movies -afterall, who would have thought Di Caprio could do such a good job in Departed :-)

    By Anonymous raj, at Mon Nov 19, 10:37:00 PM  

  • I yegree with viji. "Yebout me" section is fendaastic.

    By Blogger The Talkative Man, at Tue Nov 20, 03:24:00 AM  

  • >>"(and like Zero said, all these vijays, ajiths are not even 'very good' actors but they are competent enough to be part of some good movies -afterall, who would have thought Di Caprio could do such a good job in Departed :-)"

    Yes, and let's not forget our own Surya. (Though DiCaprio, I think, had earned a good profile as an actor by the time he did The Departed.) My point is not even about Vijay and Ajith being competent. Not in acting terms. But, we all know their core competence -- their star value, their ability to attract a large audience.

    It's very much possible (and no shame) for any filmmaker to exploit this and still make a film on his own terms. There are ample examples for this in our own Tamil cinema. When Mani Ratnam was making his pop-culture watershed, Prabhu and Karthik may have come with their respective star-son baggage, but there's a world of difference between their earlier turns -- just imagine the Prabhu of Soorakkottai Singakkutti and the Karthik of Dharma Pathini -- and their turns in Agni Natchathiram.

    By Blogger Zero, at Tue Nov 20, 01:58:00 PM  

  • I humbly request (I think I last used this while writing a leave letter to my teacher :) )
    *zero* and *raj* to avoid clubbing ajith and vijay in the same level in terms of *acting*

    are u guys serious ?

    how can u guys compare a person who had *acted in films like vaali, villan, varalaaru, mugavari etc * with a guy who doesn't even know how to differentiate between the two characters in atm

    ajith is an actor + star.. PERIOD. Never put him along with vijay

    ajith never needed a bala to prove his acting potential like surya or vikram :) :) :) .

    He is a self-made *actor* and a better actor than many *made actors @star kids*. As an actor, he is a like a butterfly that comes out of the lagoon itself without someone helping it.


    never ever club ajith and vijay in the same level

    reg departed remake, you can always cast a surya or maddy in those roles :) :) and enjoy their *acting* forever

    By Anonymous selvakumar, at Tue Nov 20, 07:10:00 PM  

  • Viji/TTM,
    thank u thank u thank u...

    Raj,
    I take it you posted that "it was me, Raj" comment :-)
    That wasn't me!
    Ooo yis the black seep????

    bala, the point is not that Jack Nicholson is a great actor - padam was superb
    That comment of mine should be read in jest, like our other slogans
    "Sachin-ukku cricket sollikkodutha Docter Kamalahaassaeenn", "Thamizhagathukku cauvery nadhineer varavaitha Docter Kamalahassaeeenn", "varungala Aina sabai thalaivar Docter Kamalahassaeen" etc... :))

    Raj/Zero/Roshan,
    I agree with your comments on Thalaivar acting in a non-pivotal/no-frills role, playing a relatively light role etc...
    Oru vaippu kooda vandhudhu - "Maqbool" but Thala declined the offer when VB didnt agree to make it in Tamil, in addition to Hindi.
    ennatha solla!
    Maybe we will have to wait a "little" longer.
    Well, i'm fine with the waiting as long as he does not do crimes like working with P.Vasu, Saran or the Crazy Mohan brand of comedies (not that i dont enjoy that) etc...


    By the by, Marmayogi is really proving to be a "marmam". A few surprising scoops on the film, will reveal more when its "safe" to do so :)

    About casting Surya, Maddy, Ajith etc in "good" movies and pairing up with Mani/Kamal etc, definitely agree.

    Selva,
    While i agree that its a sin to club just about anyone with Dr.Joesph Vijay, i would rank Surya and Maddy (even Bharath, and Jeeva to a little extent) ahead of their contemporaries in acting. Yes, their repertoire is nothing much to boast of, but they have given decent/bearable performances...
    sila samayam (pala samayam actually), IMO Tamil "heroes" have to be told NOT to try to act but show some "iyalbana" behavior instead....

    By Blogger Bala (Karthik), at Wed Nov 21, 03:35:00 PM  

  • Selvakumar,
    I didn't club them together based on their acting; as in, not because they're equally passable or equally bad actors, but because they're two of the most saleable stars in Tamil cinema now. That said, I don't think much of Ajith as an actor either, to be honest. And, my comment was not about what I think about the actor. It's about the possibility of making a good film with (and potentially extract a competent performance from) a big star.

    Bala, I wasn't actually talking about Kamal acting in a non-pivotal/no-frills role. It's super fun watching him in such roles, of course.

    By Blogger Zero, at Wed Nov 21, 05:56:00 PM  

  • I waas the blackseeep. It was a guess. Raj is too predictable with his sarcasm and wit..

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Wed Nov 21, 06:56:00 PM  

  • gbala, I think I sort of knew your stand on this but it does rankle me when I see some 'genuine' kamal-fan nut cases, who try to turn him into a Rajnikanth -idhukkagava ivlavu kashtapattaru avaru?
    specifically he vaysai kuraithadhu yaaru kind of references which are just pandering to his ego, or rather his fans' ego, which is not required in his movies - interestingy, when he directed a movie, virumandi, these things were absent - take the hint:)

    On Ajith and Vijay, unless Ajith spruces his act up, he is bound to be clubbed with Dr Joseph rather than Surya or Vikram or even Jeeva- 'cos he is going the Rajni way - talent is there but not being used.Not our fault, Selva.Just look at your defence - Vaali, Villain, Godfather - it is a self-defeating prophecy :-)
    yes, he is better than Vijay but thats like saying Yuvan Shankar Raja is better than me as a composer - not saying much, is that? You want to be compared to the cream not the dregs:-)
    (Agree, Mugavari was a good effort but it wasnt really outstanding)

    Mani is a good choice for a star pairing movie but I want to eat the cake too - I want it to be a director's movie like Departed. Agni * was just about okay.BTW, Maniratnam anagrams to A Martin Man :-).
    Probably, Vishnuvardhan is a good choice for this, too - really liked Pattiyal. But the biggest problem is the stars we have - they would never do the sort of roles we are thinking of - everyone would have their bloated ego bruised - for example, if we remade Departed, we'd have to change the last scene where there's a lengthy dishum-dishum betweeen Damon and DiCaprio where Dicaprio lands 31 punches and Damon, well, 31 punches. ( yeah, I remember Agni * and the stable fight , here :-). Only Kamal had the guts to die at the hands of a novice in Kurudhipunal - there also he did some heroic things just before that - but atleast he was daring to reduce his character to a protagonist rather than hero to some extent. And I remember my telugu friend, who watched said movie with me - he couldnt understand it at all - "Why does Dhanush have to shoot Kamal?", he says, "Both have guns, they could open the door, gun the naxalites down and eliminate the whole group thereby savng India?I dont undertand this". He said this in serious earnest. Hmm..Dr Rajasekhar apparently does that in a telugu movie, too - tamil industry konjam thevalam dhaan :-)

    By Anonymous raj, at Wed Nov 21, 10:03:00 PM  

  • well if ppl think ajith is below surya or vikram should also know the fact that ajith was the first directors choice for those movies which made both of em popular...Its infact ajith who made surya more popular now for his(ajith) infamous movie selection decisions....I would anyday say surya is a good actor and ajith is an even better actor...End of arguments from my side...

    By Blogger feddy, at Thu Nov 22, 12:07:00 PM  

  • I totally agree with Selva and Feddy with regard to Ajith :-) AppuRam Jeevava ellAm compare paNNuRatha konjam illa, rombavE over. I think he has done a decent job in KT but what are the other movies that made some people here bring him in line with Ajith, Vikram, Surya et al. Ram-nu thayavu senju sollidaatheenga :lol:

    AppuRam Maddy - Ajith dialog delivery pathi perusA pugaar paNNuravanga - muthalla Maddy dialogue delivery-a gavanikkanunm :lol:

    Kannathil MuthamittAl padathula - Sri Lanka thamizh sangathula oru speech koduppaar paarunga. I really felt sorry for him for that pathetic attempt.

    I accept Surya above Vikram but definitely not above Ajith. Cannot imagine Surya in a movie like Varalaaru, Amarkkalam or even Dheena, but definitely Ajith could do a role like Nandha, Anbu Selvan or Sanjay Ramasamy. After all those roles were first offered to Ajith and I am sure ARM, GM or Bala are not fools or less smarter than some of you guys ;-)

    By Anonymous Roshan, at Thu Nov 22, 11:23:00 PM  

  • raj,
    if ajith should spruce up his act.. then i dont know what surya (aaru, vel) should do :P or maddy (aarya) or jeeva (pori)

    dude.. everyone wants to go the commercial way.. even surya in vijaytv program told that *he will try to act in a rajini remake though he hadnt failed to give his admiration to kamal"

    my point is.. no one is an exception.. if vaali, villan, vaaralaaru look ordinary to u i dont think how u can justify *better potential* for surya.. :) (only nandha, kk, ghajini) :)

    even surya is doing vel, aaru now :) he even dropped vaaranam aaryiram and started vel :P

    zero,
    i am also like u only.. i rate surya, maddy, jeeva, bharath along the league of joseph vijay these days :)

    i really dont know on what logic u arrived at that.. i wish u apply the same for surya, maddy , jeeva etc

    btw.. telling that jeeva is better than ajith is like telling surya is better than kamal !~!!!! IMO

    without even rude getup changes :) he *proved his acting potential* in vaali, villan and varalaaru though varalaaru had some makeup.. jeeva ( what can i say.. ram :lol: then.. ahmm E :) )
    dishoom is a commercial movie and ajith and dr joseph have given many movies like that

    By Anonymous selvakumar, at Fri Nov 23, 10:04:00 AM  

  • >> i really dont know on what logic u arrived at that.. i wish u apply the same for surya, maddy , jeeva etc >>

    Also to our so called "Next KamalHaasen" Vikram :lol: :banghead:

    And Selva, for Maddy how can you forget his Ethiri, Rendu, Thambi, Priyasagi etc etc ). He even did Run. True he made use of the opportunity well in Anbe Sivam, but he was the third option to play that role as long as I know ( heard they first considered Arvind Swamy, then Prabhu(?) and only then Maddy). He was good in Aytha Ezhuthu but I can confidently say that Ajith would have been a much better choice than Maddy. And then same can be applicable to Vikram and Surya if we start talking about the duds they have delivered. Let people analyse their movies first and then think of Jeeva, Barath, Simbu, Paruthiveeran Karthi, Jithan Ramesh or Jeyam Ravi.

    And for Jeeva as Selva once quoted in the hub - just give the masses of Vijay and Ajith to him and see whether he'd settle for E or KT. VeRa vazhiyillAma paNNuraanga otherwise why would he go for a Pori or Rameswaram ;-)

    And yes Surya said that given a chance, he would opt for a remake of "Moondru Mugam" but accepted that he emulates Kamal in different ways as per the roles he plays.

    >> btw.. telling that jeeva is better than ajith is like telling surya is better than kamal !~!!!! IMO >>

    I would say it's like saying Vikram is better than Kamal or Vikram is next Kamal :lol:

    >> if vaali, villan, vaaralaaru look ordinary to u i dont think how u can justify *better potential* for surya.. :) (only nandha, kk, ghajini) :) >>

    Exactly for that matter even for Maddy and Vikram.

    By Anonymous Roshan, at Fri Nov 23, 02:48:00 PM  

  • You guys dont understand, do you? Ajith is great on promise but hasnt really delivered - and the reason is *exactly* the mass you talk about - while a Surya or Maddy(whom I dont rate much) *will* be forced to try an offbeat role just to survive(it wont be long before they realise they cant survive by trying to ape Ajith or Vijay), Ajith *will* survive on mediocre fan thanks to the *mass* he has. Which is why I dont have much hopes for him - this is, as with Rajni, an indictment of the fans rather than the actor himself. You may notice that I even apply this to Kamal fans, who, for God's sake, are probably the best set a Tamil actor has in that a good lot of them would support his experiments. Yet, I am scathing in my attack of them - that being the case, dont expect me to give the time of the day to the mass fans that Ajith has.You are killing Ajith the actor - if you havent already done that. There is no point saying Sethu, Nandha, etc were all offerred to Ajtih first - question is , did he take the opportunity? You know the answerer to that question - atleast, the likes of Surya took their opportunities. If you say they did it because of survival reasons , then so be it. Ajith has a greater reason to take these chances, because if he can come back after several average mass movies thanks to his fans, what is th problem in taking up one Sethu or a Pithamagan(BTW, I thought Surya did his best in Pithamagan,not in KK,Nanda or Ghajini- and Ghajini was a disaster for me and I dont rate KK that high- overshadowing Vikram).Even if it flops, he can always make a thirupathi orr paramasivan next and prove his mass market. That, to me, is the failing.

    If you want, you can say Ajith is potentially a better actor than any other contemporary star. Fine. So be it. But I dont really care who is a good actor , and who isnt - hell, even with Kamal, I only care for the quality of his movies , not the quality of his acting performance so where does that leave today's pretenders - I want good movies and whoever takes the risk to try for a good movie gets my appreciation.
    I have made my point and you can argue till the cows come home about how Ajith is better than the whole universe in acting for all I care.

    By Anonymous raj, at Fri Nov 23, 08:58:00 PM  

  • Selva ippo tamilnaatula idhu oru fashiona pochu: varavan poravan ellam ajith vijayae kevalama pesittu, approm surya vikramae thalaila thooki vechu kondadaruthu.Ennamo surya vikram rendu perum mosamana padathula nadikadha madhiriae pesarathu.

    surya, vikram oda aramba kaala padangal pathi pesavae venam.And as u said surya's choice of aaru,vel and last but not least the JOK was a mindblowing mokkai. Dropping varanam ayiram and picking up vel is a laughable one. Wonder where surya would be now if ajith had taken up all his projects.
    Athai pathi ellam pesavae maatanga.

    Wig rum saar manasula adutha kamalnae nenappu.No i am wrong avar than adutha kamal madhiri pesavae arambichitaanga.. Sir oda maja padathula i found pasupathi more entertaining than him.

    Avaroda Onion padathukku iruntha uzhaga maga buildup pathi sollavae venam..adhuleeyum avarukku oru image buildup (Praaksh raj saying unna madhiri oru nadigana naan patathae illai.i was laughing at my wits end). Padam romba romba romba sooperaa irunthuchu...Avoona odambu ethinaa tamilnaatula best actor agidalam easy-a. Arul nnu oru comedy pannar adhayum maranthiduvanga.Padthula avarkku oru sooooper punch dialaak vera imitating superstar.Ana sila tamilnattu intellectuals athu ellam kekka matanga..avoona ajith vijay waste-u, nadika theriathunnu pesuvanga.

    kekkuravn kenayana iruntha kr vijaya kondaila ktv theriuthu'nanam.

    Cutting a long post short: I feel everybody is equally faulty. Pointing fingers on only a couple of actors is a fatal mistake.
    Sorry bala for this longgg post , felt its worth typing...

    By Blogger feddy, at Fri Nov 23, 10:36:00 PM  

  • In short, Raj says "no star is bigger than a movie, no actor bigger than a script".

    By Anonymous RajFan, at Sat Nov 24, 01:03:00 AM  

  • >> In short, Raj says "no star is bigger than a movie, no actor bigger than a script". >>

    So what??


    Feddy good response.. athuvum antha Anniyan PR dialogue quote paNNathu :lol:

    Vikram listla innum sila maga mokkaigaL irukku - Kaadhal Sadugudu,Saamurai,King,one movie he acted with Devayani under her husband's direction.. Gemini,Saami mAthiri action movies'la Ajith and Vijay have done far better. So kaNakkula sEthukka mudiyAthu. Aama, total-a Vikram ethana padam nadichirukkAr ? ;-)

    He did Ullaasam with Ajith - Ajith's reach was more and he almost went unnoticed

    He did Pitha Magan with Surya - Surya scored over him (cannot imagine that movie without Surya character)

    He did Maja with Pasupathy - and as Feddy said Pasupathy was more entertaining in a comedy role than him.

    By Anonymous Roshan, at Sat Nov 24, 11:43:00 PM  

  • Selva,
    My point was only about using various actors in making good films instead of just staying away from them. (Raj's comment was in the same vein, except that he meant it from the actor's perspective.)

    Where did I suggest that I rate Surya, Maddy etc. at the same level as Vijay? I don't think anything of Vijay as an actor! I didn't talk about Jeeva in my comment. What I did say was that I don't think much of Ajith as an actor either.

    By the way, I don't know what difference it makes if Ajith was first offered the roles of Sethu, Nandhaa etc. (If at all anything, it only seems to suggest that he has the uncanny capability of staying far away from any role that might just earn him appreciation as an actor.)

    By Blogger Zero, at Sun Nov 25, 01:34:00 AM  

  • rajfan, I tend to be verbose; ippadi kuthi kaatanuma :-)

    By Anonymous raj, at Sun Nov 25, 08:53:00 AM  

  • Phew!!!

    Selva/Roshan/Feddy,

    1. You are talking about good films and bad films done by Ajith vs other actors. I'm talking about who, in my opinion, are capable/decent/bearable actors and NOT the %age of bad films in their CV

    2. Roshan,
    Nobody here even brought up the name Vikram! And i didn't have "Ram" in mind :)

    3. Let's agree to disagree or disagree to agree on the question of acting and the present generation Tamil heroes :)

    By Blogger Bala (Karthik), at Sun Nov 25, 10:24:00 AM  

  • Between all these discussions about Ajith Vs Vijay Vs Vikram Vs Surya Vs Maddy Vs the rest of the bachhas TN cinema I found something interesting:

    Bala,what is the scoop you have on Marma Yogi?

    What is this "I will say it when it is safe"?

    Hub-le oru 'PM'podungale,pls.

    By Anonymous Cinefan, at Mon Nov 26, 03:55:00 PM  

  • PiRantha naaL vaazhthukkaL Bala :-)

    By Anonymous Roshan, at Tue Nov 27, 12:28:00 AM  

  • While on Surya and Ghajini, happened to re-stumble on Stochastica Karthik's delightful take at http://www.stochastica.net/2005/10/04/memento-redux/
    "...A conversation between Surya and his Dad:

    “Dad, I have this role in this new movie and I am supposed to be an amnesiac for good two hours. Any advice?”

    “Drink coconut water, don’t smoke, don’t drink, do Yoga and get out of your relationship with Jothika.”

    “Dad, I asked for acting tips, not this crap.”

    “Oh, ok. Have you seen me act angry in movies?”

    “You mean where you keep your body erect, roll your eyes and shake your head robotically back and forth?”

    “Yes. Exactly. Do that.”

    For once, Surya listened to his dad.

    "
    I think that sums up Ghajini for me:)

    By Anonymous raj, at Tue Nov 27, 03:53:00 AM  

  • B'day today???

    Best wishes Bala.May you be blessed with a long,healthy&fruitful life.

    By Anonymous Cinefan, at Tue Nov 27, 09:50:00 AM  

  • Raj,
    “You mean where you keep your body erect, roll your eyes and shake your head robotically back and forth?”
    LOL
    naanum en friendsum indha padatha paathuttu veliya vandhuttu ippadi thaan react pannom
    "enna machaan nadandhuchu ulla?"

    Aamir Khan mela madhippu irundhuchu, before he decided to remake the film (and wrote about that in his blog).


    Cinefan,
    nandri!

    By Blogger Bala (Karthik), at Thu Nov 29, 08:20:00 PM  

  • nandri Roshan !

    By Blogger Bala (Karthik), at Thu Nov 29, 08:21:00 PM  

  • bala, read that review by Karthik. It has more gems...sample this:
    "...and Nayanthara has a role that is peripheral enough that her performance doesn’t matter too much. Although, I must admit I was a little traumatized when I saw her dance to an item number - every part of her literally shook, and in a startling reminder of Newton’s first law, certain parts kept shaking even after she had stopped dancing"

    By Anonymous raj, at Thu Nov 29, 10:56:00 PM  

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