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Wednesday, May 30, 2007

The Loss

Indian + Mudhalvan + Anniyan + Puke + Piss + Oru Koodai Crap + Painted Old Man With An Awful Shaky Voice = Trailer, The Loss.

Shame on the ass licking media and the fucked-out-of-their-senses mental sympathizers and sycophants [1].

[1] - Mental fans can be forgiven, but not the 'neutral' (neutered, perhaps) kind


posted by Bala (Karthik) at 11:35 PM

60 Comments:

  • true man,,, the trailer was very bad.. if the best 2 minutes of the movie is like this ,, Imagine the movie..

    Also the cinematography reminds me of anniyan

    By Blogger Ravi, at Thu May 31, 12:16:00 AM  

  • very true... the trailer is horrible..

    If the best two minutes of the movie is like this ... Imagine the movie!!

    Cant anyone see that the cinematograpghy of some scenes are anniyan ditto

    By Blogger Ravi, at Thu May 31, 12:53:00 AM  

  • Same pinch. Looks rehash of all old Shankar movies. I dont understand whats so great about this trailer? Ellam hype

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Thu May 31, 09:53:00 AM  

  • if this is the best of the 3 hour kasamusaa, then full version-a ninaichu kooda paaka mudiyaathu..

    vetti hype thaan.. so the movie is under more pressure to deliver..

    By Blogger Unknown, at Thu May 31, 12:53:00 PM  

  • fanboy blogle reason/fairness ellaam espet panna koodathathu thaan. but even then this looks like the heights of vaitherichal.

    sila hard core kamal veriyans apart, i don't think anyone could be disappointed with the trailer. it looks really stylish, slick and very very rich and much more than what it promised. padam eppdi varappokuthu enpathu vere vishayam.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Thu May 31, 04:51:00 PM  

  • " enna yemma karuppa peththa?" (layer layera rose powder appikittu) pondra nenjai urukkum vasanangal,

    " BOSS = Bachelor Of Social Service" pondra super comedigal,

    "naan solradha ketta ipdi irukka unga oor ipdi aayirum" pondra puratchigaramaana sindhanaigal,

    Onbathu stunt masetrgalai ottrai kizhavan suthi suthi adikkum sooraavali kaatchigal,

    Matrum ellavatrukkum melaaga herovaaga thaathaavum herionaaga peththiyum nadikkum kilukilu kaatchigal,


    ellam niraindha thiraippadam,

    "Shivaji-The loss".

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Thu May 31, 06:16:00 PM  

  • Few parts of the trailer are good except those romantic sequences with Shreya. :x

    He has reached almost 60 and still unable to get out of those romance scenes. Many rajini fans can enjoy his movie without those things as well
    and
    Oru nalla padam kodutha Kudiyaa muzhugida poguthu !

    All said
    but must say that : few of the stills of rajini are good compared to the crap CM.
    This movie ll be a blockbuster if it is crappier than CM.
    since no good movie (relatively) of rajini runs well.

    He has reached a stage in which fans simply can accept anything he delivers. can't he do something he did in his initial years !

    Beg to differ on the voice. It is good n many places(again compare CM).

    When our people are going to call "STOP IT - BOSS" for his romance sequences.

    I am not against romance sequences. but they must be mature.

    That is why I have diff of opinon for Paartha mudhal naal song as well.


    MGR oruthar thappu panninaar (acting in 60)... atha Sivaji la irundu Rajini oda sivaji varaikkumaa follow pannurathu

    EKSI

    I hate this and I ll oppose even if my thala does this in the future

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Thu May 31, 07:35:00 PM  

  • ravi,
    adhe adhe (* 2) :)

    Ferrari,
    Best part ennana, Gautham Menon-a roast pannavanga ellam indha padathayum (trailer), Shankar-ayum thalaila thookki vechu aadraanunga..
    (Not that Gautham is good himself)

    Karthi,
    Did you check out the engliss dialaak's?? Gems, i say!

    Raven,
    1) Fairness venumna kadaila poi Fair And Lovely vaangungo
    2) Your second para doesn't cross the cut-off for minimum intelligence required to post in a public domain. ennamo ponga...

    bhuvanesh saar,
    Deivame! neenga engeyo poitteenga :)
    super!

    Selva,
    Rajini fans will enjoy it immensely even if Rajini takes a crap on screen. That's a different and known issue. What is utterly puzzling is the reaction of the "neuters".
    Bhuvanesh sir arumaya quote pannina arumayana comedy scenes ku ellam sirikkaraanga! Dei, ennanga da nadakkudhu? :))

    Romancing at 60, mmm... paNNa mudinjavanga, pAkkara mAdhiri paNNinA parava illai.. :)

    By Blogger Bala (Karthik), at Thu May 31, 09:29:00 PM  

  • Forgot to add...
    The film is likely to be a hit irrespective of what crappy events transpire on screen but the key here is, will AVM be able to recover his investments, given the unreasonable high budget (inspite of having no Hindi market) and the reduced ticket rate and non-holiday season?

    By Blogger Bala (Karthik), at Thu May 31, 09:38:00 PM  

  • Rajni's crap movies run. idhule enna pudhusu. Shankar makes crap movies which mainsream media and public hail as masterpieces(including Indian). Idhula enna pudhusu?

    Was Gentleman a good movie? Nope. Mudhalvan - Nope. Indian - Nope. We are talking Shankar's besst here. Rest are absolutely unquestionable crap. Rajni hasnt been part of a good movie since...since well I cant remember. Maybe Mullum Malarum or Aval Appadi Than,But that said, inge konjam vayatherichal maadhiri dhaan therigiradhu. Kamal thatha Asin-ai romance pannarappo, Rajni thatha Shreya-vai (romance)pannina thappa? Paarkara maadhiri, paarka mudiyadha padingaradhu vera vishayam. Rendu perukkum same 'feelings' dhaane irukkum? Avangalala mudiyudhu seyyaranga. Free-ya vidungapa. As long as Rajni's movies run, MSM will pay obsequiance to him. Oru Padam flo-aana, all the skeletons will tumble out of the cupboard. Infact, after Baba, quite a few magazines made fun of Rajni openly and subtly. Kumudham especially had a series of funny cartoons on his tendency to "Himalaysku poren" article. Chandramukhi success changed all that.
    IMO, Sivaji will not meet expectations. It might be a hit but probably not enough to cover costs and then the fun will start...

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Fri Jun 01, 09:37:00 AM  

  • Rajni never had cinema sense, so no use blaming him...
    Ellam Shankar'a sollanum.. Innnum evlo naal thaan education, lanjam, corruption, echi thupparadhu, ippadi appadinnu padam eduppannu therila.. Shankar-oda over budgeted kuppai padangal corruption-a vida perum thollaya poittirukku..

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Fri Jun 01, 11:08:00 AM  

  • MEntal fans oliga... pundai-ka-bal pasanga.. who are insecured from criticism.. Gap10 and Ramarajan will be proud..

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Fri Jun 01, 11:29:00 AM  

  • Raj,
    pudhusu nu sollave illiya.
    Agree with everything you say except the romance part.

    vAn kOzhi mayilin Attam ariyumA?
    yArayum yArayum compare panrInga?
    oru ilaignan kizhavanA nadikkardhilla? Thenali padathula "swAsame swAsame" pAttu pAthInga illa? appo Thalaivarukku evalavu vayasu? eppadi irundhAru?
    5Tricks la eppadi irundhAru?
    seri, adha vidunga, Rajini, TR, Captain kUda nadikkara nadigaigaL nelamaya inga nAma konjam yOsichu pAkkaNum. pAvam :(


    All that said, of course i agree that actors should play their age and stop the routine duet business. idhu Nammavar-ukkum porundhum. AnA comparisons ellam too much. idhula vaitherichal enna irukku? kaNN erichal dhaen! :)

    UN,
    Shankar-oda over budgeted kuppai padangal corruption-a vida perum thollaya poittirukku
    indha line nallA irukku. Mind la vechikkarEn, apparam use paNNikkarEn :)

    Mental fans-a vidunga. Mental-ayE eduthukkuvOm. Asian Paints contract eduthu paint adichirukkAinga. idhula vasanam vera, "yEn ma enna karuppA petha?" nu, idhunga insecurity pathi pEsudhunga :))

    By Blogger Bala (Karthik), at Fri Jun 01, 12:03:00 PM  

  • The last para was for Thilak :)

    By Blogger Bala (Karthik), at Fri Jun 01, 12:03:00 PM  

  • hahaha.......Feed them shit..they will ask for more!!!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Fri Jun 01, 12:27:00 PM  

  • bala, adhu sari dhaan.nammavarukku vaysanalum, andha 'adhu'(dont know how to describe it - murukku?sarakku?) innum pogalai. That said, Paartha Mudhal Naale was pathetic and VV in general showed his age up in romantic scenes. But then , it was jyothika so I guess he couldnt have been 'inspired' :-)
    Asin is a different ball game - oops no puns here :-) - so Dasa might see him back in form ;-)

    My view is if he gets girls willing to romance him(RK/KH either of them) in real/reel life, then,well, mutual consent-nu vittuttu poga vendiyadhu dhaan. Idhula degree of excellence in romancing should not be a criteria-ngaradhu en point.
    On a related note, do you know the story about a leading serial actress of now, who was a top heroine in the 80's, being solicited by a former Andhra CM, a marquee man himself,and ending up puffing and panting and the actress humiliating him at his 'inability' laughing hysteriously?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Fri Jun 01, 01:37:00 PM  

  • ethukku inge intelligence ellaam izhukkreenga? minimum cutoffna? enna criteria? irrational hatred for anything to do with rajini? it figures.

    we all know that this mans pushing 60 and its awkward watching him with young women on screen, but its more because all of us have grown up watching him for decades together and know that he's actually an old man. and it damn well applies to kamal doing kids like asin as well. rules are for all.

    athenna vv ile thoppayellaam vechu ivaru romance pannumbo mattum paakreenga? visayakanthu vecha thoppai, ivaru vecha getting natural middle aged cop look aa?

    neenga sivajile enna expect pannittiruntheengennu theriyale. i was not expecting a mullum malarum from an avm-shankar-rajini combination anyway. the expectations are of a different kind. and the trailer did meet those expectations and more. avlo thaan sonnen. mannichukkunga.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Fri Jun 01, 02:24:00 PM  

  • Raven,
    irrational hatred for anything to do with rajini?
    Thanks for coming to the crux of the matter :)
    The point of this post in particular and many of my posts on Rajini in general is the exact reversal of your statement - irrational liking for anything to do with Rajini. You can find it in the streets, homes, the internet cutting across class lines. Yes, Rajini is a mass icon. There are quite a few points which need to be addressed here.

    The most important issue is the media's subservience to Rajini. anything associated with him is hyped up and exaggerated. The media always talks in hyperbole and obfuscates reality. Why do i say this?

    1) oru nallavanukku kedaikka vEndiya ellA mariyAdhayum oru kettavanukku pOi sErndhududhu
    Whatever happened to perspective, balance etc? Why is the media building up an image of being something which he clearly is not? And why is the public sucking up to it? People who have no idea of ground realities are taking certain things for granted and believing and propagating myths as facts - A Rajini film cannot and has not flopped. "Baba is a flop only by his standards and he is the first/only one to compensate distributors". Why is the myth of his salary hyped up, believed and propagated by the media and hence the genral public. Do you know what his salary for Sivaji is? - 15 Crores. Wait for the "news" of his salary to start doing the rounds. Even Hollywood hotshots stature will be under threat, if these "sources" were to be believed.

    2) People cry foul and talk about "quality", "direction of Tamil cinema", "meaningless punch dialogues", "heroism" and all such crap when the said actor is someone like Vijay but tow the "Thalaivar edhu senjalum style" line when it comes to Rajini. Who is vijay following? What is the difference between what thatha does and his meek followers? Why this double standard? Infact, one could actually forgive Vijay and the likes when its obvious who the real culprit is. TR, Captain-a vechu joke panreengale, namma Rajini saar endha vidhathula better?

    3) "Staying silent or 'neutral' in the face of injustice is tantamount to taking sides".
    indha mAdhiri cinema-va yEn valarthu vidreenga? seri, appadi pAkkardhA irundhA Vijay padathayum pArunga. The you have consistency.
    Mediocrity breeds mediocrity and brings down the efforts of those trying to break away and take the industry and audience with them.

    4) There are enough reasons to bear this type of anti-Rajini feeling when it comes to what he does off-screen. The "simple humble man" facade has so far been used to portray him as a saint. "Why do you care about what he does off-screen. See him justa s an actor", you may say but he is fair game the moment he steps in to abuse and mislead his fans as per his personal whims and vested interests.

    It is this utterly disproportionate and illogical reverence that is given to Rajini which should be questioned first. Dissent like you see here is the exception, not the norm. Try seeing things in that perspective.

    neenga sivajile enna expect pannittiruntheengennu theriyale
    Simple. I expected Shankar's recycled crap in Rajini's recycled and done to death formula. What irks me is the kind of reaction it brings out. ethana nALukku idhaye pAppInga? Infact i should be asking you, "Why and how long will you keep expecting, appreciating and helping the same old stuff?"
    It is an insult to one's intelligence. "Its just entertainment and 'Thalaivar' gives just that" nu solradhu ellam velaikkavadhu. Who said we are not watching cinema for entertainment? The issue is *what that entertainment is*.
    To "us", calling this entertainment is absurd.

    Phew! :)

    By Blogger Bala (Karthik), at Fri Jun 01, 05:10:00 PM  

  • And Raven,
    athenna vv ile thoppayellaam vechu ivaru romance pannumbo mattum paakreenga? visayakanthu vecha thoppai, ivaru vecha getting natural middle aged cop look aa?
    This has been addressed already.
    Still, your comparison is not fair.
    To me, it is absurd to expect that an old man should not romance a young woman (girl!) on screen per se. Then, you should not accept roles like 6-60, Salangai Oli, Kadal Meengal, Citizen Kane, why even Periyar (if age is the criterion).
    In VV, Aandavar plays a middle-aged guy and he *looks* the character he plays. In the film, the director neither tries to pass him off as a twenty-something guy (its happened in other films of his i admit) nor does he look that age. so, avaru thoppul la kai vechaaro illa enga kai vechaaro enbadhu problem illa.
    idhuve neenga Vasool Raja madhiri padangala sonna nyayam.

    Secondly, what many don't seem to realize is when you are making a movie with a budget like 10A, there are certain elements which can't be done away with. Yes, in that case, he would be guilty of the same "crime" we accuse others of but the difference is, and i repeat, there is a difference when you see Aandavar/heroine in such scenes and say Rajini/Captain in those scenes. It becomes a necessary evil and its only fair that some leeway is given considering the fact that what the man is trying to achieve in cinema given the constraints he is operating under. He is not an art house actor/director who can just do only what he wants. He is not a Naseeruddin Shah with nothing to lose in terms of image or commercial viability.
    "Why is he doing that? Why does he *have* to operate under those constraints? Why can't he be like someone like say, Naseer? Why should he do a commercial movie like Dasa?", you may ask.
    - Well, because he is Kamal Haasan.
    It is because of who he is and what he is trying to do in the long run that the success of films like VV matters a lot (though we may not like the film as proud fans of Kamal).

    By Blogger Bala (Karthik), at Fri Jun 01, 05:28:00 PM  

  • Raven,
    Finally, if you fall for this cheap thing just because it is "slick stylish" etc.. i don't need to say anything more. I rest my case and you have proved my point :)

    By Blogger Bala (Karthik), at Fri Jun 01, 05:53:00 PM  

  • Bala, enna kadandha rendu post-A ivvaLavu soodu ? As Steve Waugh of Manadhai ThirudivittAi would say: Cool down cool down...

    Abt the trailer: here are my 2 cents - inimE enna cent - 2 paise:

    Shankar is the soul-twin of SA Rajkumar in terms of aracha maavu and Rajini has been disappointing for a while now. His voice has taken a nose dive post Padayappa. In the trailer he looks a bit better than he did in CM - except when he is wearing floor mops on his head. Am not too outraged by the Rajini-ShrEya jOdi. The situ, as a whole is comical and Rajini himself has been joking about his age.

    Vivek promises to be his boring self. The SPB song is pretty catchy and its going to be one of those star hitz to be repeated the caller request shows ("ayyo ! line kadaichadhu avvalO sandhOshamA irukkunga...irunga en pAttiyai koopidarEn").

    Overall impression: nothing great.
    So the 'neutrals' - I count myself in here - are likely to approach the movie with zero expectations. For that simple reason it is likely to do well.

    At the least, the trailer assures one thing: it isn't worth so much reaction.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Fri Jun 01, 08:36:00 PM  

  • bala,

    Don't be surprised if I use your write-ups elsewhere.

    Aandavar-in bakthargal vaazhge!!!

    By Blogger ., at Fri Jun 01, 09:57:00 PM  

  • msp:
    here are my 2 cents - inimE enna cent - 2 paise:
    Appa, the eagle has landed ?

    Janta,
    As Vadivelu said in Winner: Dei, innumaada idhellam nambitrukeenga ?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Sat Jun 02, 07:42:00 AM  

  • he h ehe
    Bala .
    Chummma indha linkai paarungo
    http://www.rajini.jp/

    I liked Vadivukarasi's response to "Ennai yaenmaa karuppaa pethae?"
    Vellaiyaa irundhaa azhukaaiduviyonnu dhaan!!!
    More than the dialogue, it is te way she said it.
    She along with Vinu chakravarthy are some of the huge talents who never got the respect or due they deserved.

    By Blogger V.P.Jaiganesh, at Sat Jun 02, 10:34:00 AM  

  • "Secondly, what many don't seem to realize is when you are making a movie with a budget like 10A, there are certain elements which can't be done away with. "

    bala, nalla padam edukkura Kamalukke indha maadhiri romance scenes ellam market requirement-na, sothai padam edukkara Rajni-kku these are even more required to attract audience, illaiya?
    (But I dont believe that - Kamal can give a succesful, good movie without romance - heroine is his requirement rather than marker requirement :-)

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Sun Jun 03, 05:19:00 PM  

  • As for the media build-up, free-ya viduppa.Sivaji flop-aachuna, summa sozhatti sozhatti thaakkuvanga rajni-ai - the same media.
    10 A success aachunna, they will follow the same circus for Kamal as well. Avangalukku mukkiyam ennanna which side of their bread is buttered avlo dhaan.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Sun Jun 03, 05:22:00 PM  

  • Padathula comedyku panjam irrukathu !!!! vijaykanth padam maathiri jolly paathuttu sirichittu pogalam :)

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Sun Jun 03, 11:04:00 PM  

  • msp,
    Mental-a pAthuttu ratham kodhikkAma irukkaravan thamizhanE illa (VijayKanth Sir dialaak mAdhiri irukku) :)

    LOL @ the Sun Meesic comment. Spot on, thats going to tbe the requested song.

    "So the 'neutrals' - I count myself in here"
    :(( sOgam, kaNdanam :(

    Jaiganes,
    Kurosawa saar-aye thUkki vIsiyavanga dhAne sappAniyargaL :(

    Vadivukkarasi may be a fine actress. However, by virtue of being a mental jalra, she dismissed! :)

    Raj,
    "bala, nalla padam edukkura Kamalukke indha maadhiri romance scenes ellam market requirement-na, sothai padam edukkara Rajni-kku these are even more required to attract audience, illaiya?"
    I expected this as soon as i posted my comment. Here goes:

    1) Kamal romance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rajini wvaaak romance. Period. End of discussion

    2) People "expect" and "like" Rajini romancing? Most definitely wvaakable (ok, repeat of the first point!)

    3) You are asking: Kamal mattum market requirements-ukaga compromise paNNalAm, appo Rajni yEn paNNakkUdAdhu?
    - Well, Rajini verum compromises thAne paNrAru? vEra edhuvum paNNaliye, unlike Kamal!
    So, the argument, "Kamal mattum paNNalAm, Rajini paNNakkUdAdhO?" is flawed and is not a fair comparison.
    This is like asing
    "Bradman mattum duck adikkaliyA? yEn Sehwag-a mattum solrInga?" - Bradman/Sehwag duck adikkardha thavira enna senjAnga nu pAkkaNum.

    And about the media.. enna Raj, Baba flop-e illa nu solludhu media, avangaLavadhu giving due credit to Kamal-Avadhu.

    Balaji,
    Vijaykanth-a kEvalappaduthAdhInga :)

    By Blogger Bala (Karthik), at Mon Jun 04, 12:04:00 PM  

  • why?
    Like Vadivelu asks in Winner...
    Yaen indha Kolai veri?
    Rajini has ceased to be an actor and has become Brand Rajini. He has become corporatised. Pretty much like Anakin becoming Darth Vader. As someone who has seen Rajini in his better acting days (days where KB-Kamal-Rajini triangle was making waves), I expected Rajini to leave the acting by sound effect to acting with the tools he has been born with after the emergence of Ajith, Vijay and othe rpunch dialogue paramesans. However it is getting into a long wait and I dont have that much time either. All said, you as a Kamal admirer (note: I am not calling you a fan) shouldn't be bothered much abt what Rajini does or doesnt as he is just a brand and not a natural like Kamal Hassan. Offcourse, if he wants to be worthy of comparison with Kamal in any context, then he has to shed loads of makeup and prevaricated postures in public life, which is again not an easy thing to do. So in all counts, your heated invective against Rajini and his fans is a waste of unicode and network efficieny in my personal opinion. Offcourse, this is your blog and you have pretty much all byte given right to express yourself.

    By Blogger V.P.Jaiganesh, at Mon Jun 04, 02:35:00 PM  

  • Jaiganes,
    Why
    - ahaa.. already explained "why" :)

    "So in all counts, your heated invective against Rajini and his fans is a waste of unicode and network efficieny in my personal opinion"
    etc...
    - When did i claim that what i write is going to make any difference to anybody? Do you write with the aim of making a "difference"? I don't :) Is the network going to become more efficient or will it be of *use* if i write about rainfall in Russia and Global Warming?
    This post is as insignificant as any other post in this blog.

    Don't i know what Rajini is now or what he represents? Don't i know that he has stopped acting? Or am i claiming that none of you knows it and i'm the first to throw light on the matter? NO! :)

    In short, neenga yenna solla vareenga nu enakku puriyala.

    There is no new revelation in this post. I'm not trying to "change" anything or claiming to do something "useful". My point is not "how can you compare Kamal and Rajini" (though some of my responses touched that in response to other comments). oru thoroughly undeserving aalukku/padathukku/teamukku/work-uku, makkal (cutting across classes) kudukkara amoga varaverppu may be normal to some, but not to me. That kind of tolerance, let alone welcome, to mediocrity, by educated, and otherwise discerning viewers is puke worthy to me.
    This is just a rant.

    By Blogger Bala (Karthik), at Mon Jun 04, 03:10:00 PM  

  • actually the blog can be a node for like-minded people to agree upon. And those who don't, to counter. It's as simple as that.

    IMO, this mediocrity being celebrated can be excused but all the lies/BS spewed and digested by people is absolutely inexcusable. Double standards by supporting few selected dumbwits like Mental and prejudice against the Gap10s, ramarajans, vijay, etc - Total Bullshit!

    VPJ,

    when is your next post in PFC? Waiting for it :)

    TPSK

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Mon Jun 04, 03:23:00 PM  


  • oru thoroughly undeserving aalukku/padathukku/teamukku/work-uku, makkal (cutting across classes) kudukkara amoga varaverppu may be normal to some, but not to me. That kind of tolerance, let alone welcome, to mediocrity, by educated, and otherwise discerning viewers is puke worthy to me.

    I understand your feelings!!
    I am trying to reason out why? Why and how can ppl appreciate both types of films (I mean Kamal's and Rajini's)? Thats because of branding - setting expectations and appropriately delivering. So the heavy makeup and punch dialogues are substitutes for substantial lack of content.

    Kerchief irundhaa kuduppaen. aana adhayellam naan use panradhillai! he he he.
    I felt that neenga konjam tenson aayteengalonnu. Adhanaala dhaan Kavalai padadhae sagodharfy pannaen.Mathabadi ungal blogai divert pannanumgira ennam ellaam illai. Why waste time over unchangeables while ppl ike me are desperate to get more on what Kamal is doing next. Coz that is more interesting and substantial.
    BTW did you see Karthik's blog(milliblog). He has reviewed a spanish film for which Kamal has bought rights.

    By Blogger V.P.Jaiganesh, at Mon Jun 04, 03:38:00 PM  

  • Is Dasa the film Karthik is raving about?????? Seems to be so to me...
    Check out the story here - > http://itwofs.com/milliblog

    By Blogger V.P.Jaiganesh, at Mon Jun 04, 05:34:00 PM  

  • Thilak,
    Ditto - JG, awaiting your post in PFC

    Jaiganesh,
    :) Ok :)

    "Thats because of branding - setting expectations and appropriately delivering"
    aahaa..
    Yes, thats what they say. "My expectations from a Rajini film are different from that of a Kamal film. Each is good in his own way."
    To me, this is crap.
    This is like saying "My expectations from Paper X (Kamal) and TOI (Rajini) are different. Each is good in its own way".
    Like Thilak said, they are expecting crap and Rajini satisfies their expectaion by feeding them crap. "idhula nenachu perumai padala, poramayum padala, vekkapattu vedhanai padrenda kannaaa!" :)
    appo why do they look down upon TR or Vijay? We can always say "set your expectations right. Don't look for quality in a Perarasu film or Jai Akarsh film. He delivers in his own way in giving crap". Please note that we are not talking about the cliched rickshaw-karan here. We are talking about internet using, world-movie watching kind.

    seri, idha ithodu viduvom :)

    "BTW did you see Karthik's blog(milliblog). He has reviewed a spanish film for which Kamal has bought rights."
    Yes! Tempus Fugit.

    "Is Dasa the film Karthik is raving about??????"
    I remain tight-lipped :))

    By Blogger Bala (Karthik), at Mon Jun 04, 05:53:00 PM  

  • The storyline of Tempus Fugit is eerily like what we've heard of Dasa.. Time travel pathi ellam padam edutha namma janangalukku romba nalla vilangidum...Hmmm,Paarpom!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Mon Jun 04, 07:20:00 PM  

  • Bossu,
    Enna thiruppi kavuthutaingala ? Dasa dates + audio release dates - oru koodai sunlight throw panna mudiyuma ?

    Ahaa, tempus fungit remake ? Hmm, has anyone watched that movie ?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Mon Jun 04, 08:50:00 PM  

  • I am working on my next post in PFC. I will prolly write abt some olden goldie of Sivaji or KB. Also I downloaded all Guna BGMs from Rakkamma and I am in bliss looping them on and on. So Guna could be my next write up.
    Coming back to the topic of angst expressed by Bala, AVM has prolly spent 40+ Crs on this movie. If that money can be put on something like Marudhanayagam, we might have an epic of a film. Instead what is in store is just one Rajini movie that probably ran well eclipsed/forgotten as the next makeup machine venture begins to roll. Thalayil adithu kollalaam. aanal unlike AVM en moolai ange thaan irukku. I hope this Oscar Ravi guy quickly becomes bigger than AVM. Atleast he takes risks to push the envelope a little bit further.

    By Blogger V.P.Jaiganesh, at Tue Jun 05, 01:31:00 AM  

  • IF Dasa is remake of Tempus whatever, why was it not pointed out during that plagiarism issue....I mean if he is got the remake rights and he is making it....the accuser could have been made to shut up all his orifices in one stroke...Why the prolonged case and Kamal's side did not make that as any argument as far as i know.....

    By Blogger mutRupuLLi, at Tue Jun 05, 11:54:00 AM  

  • hope i'm not too late. hype and quality..hmmm.

    media hype enpathu rajinikku mattum exclusivenu naan ninaikkavillai. we are living at a time where superstars appear in all interviews and proclaim their status (shah rukh khan keeps saying 'i'm the best' in his interviews) and do talk shows promoting their movies ad nauseum (aamir khanlerunthu vishal/simbu varaikkum pannittu thaan irukkanga). did sivaji even have a decent press conference or a launch? promotiona vidunga, can you remember the last time rajini gave a proper interview to the press? if the media and fans take upon themselves to pass around bit after bit of leaked and often incorrect info and generate hype on a film, hows the film's lead actor (technically, his responsibility in the movie ends with being an actor and nothing more) to be blamed?

    i'm not drawing comparisons but hasnt maruthanayagam, a film that no one's even sure would be made at all, been getting print and tv space for years together now? isn't that hype? wasnt vettaiyadu vilayadu and its so called super success hyped? lagaan, mani ratnam, cheran, autograph, selvaraghavan, bala, vikram... arent these all in some way products of hype? i think yes and i could be wrong. the point is media is not doing a favour to anyone. they back only the winners.

    when baba bombed, wasn't rajini disowned like dirt by the same media? didnt everyone from bharathiraja to vijayakanth to sathyaraj to vadivelu make statements against him. didnt the same media (barring n ram and the hindu) call him a traitor? if the guy realises that this is an industry run in turn by sycophants and backstabbers and play his cards accordingly, i'd say hes damn smart and nothing less.

    more on the hype, i dont think he has sold out like our other mass icons either (read bachchan, sachin and khan). we can only imagine the kind of money if he says yes to endorsing a product.

    on quality and about doing the same trash over and over, yes he can drift out and do serious stuff. its sad that he doesnt. but having said that its extremely illogical to expect a man who does one film in three years to change trends in an industry that has room for all kind of actors and films. the garbage is not from his house, he's just part of it.

    as jaiganesh said, rajini has become a brand and an extremely popular one at that, whether we like it or not. i think that's why even the so called intelligent viewer shuns all the high brow world cinema fundas and relax all rules for rajini. like they do it in the west for spiderman :)

    i dont think you are serious when you compare tr, vk or even vijay with rajini. if you take kamal out - he's obviously in a league beyond compare - who do you think is the most talented actor we have? i think i know :)

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Tue Jun 05, 12:50:00 PM  

  • Bayangara soodA irukku inga. Came with the idea of not saying anything but couldnt help mentioning msp's comments - about the BOSS using floor mops (rotfl) and Bala's comparison of Bradman and Shewag (thumbsup).

    Rest, I would prefer waiting until June 15th :-)

    Small clarification;

    Is V P Jaiganesh the hubber Jaiganes?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Wed Jun 06, 10:24:00 PM  

  • bala, I'm surprised you didnt publish my comment. What was objectionable in that?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Thu Jun 07, 09:18:00 AM  

  • Sridhar,
    Same kostins here. poruthirundhu paarpom :)

    Raven,
    [Though you had left this comment 2 days back, ippo dhaan approve panna mudinchidhu]
    sobaa... ippove kanna kattudhe..
    Firstly, please go through the comments.
    will reply in detail later today.

    Roshan,
    Yes, hubber Jaiganes oNNLy :)

    Raj,
    "bala, I'm surprised you didnt publish my comment. What was objectionable in that?"
    aahaa.. sathiyama reject pannaleenga..
    Must have been a mistake, sorry :(
    Hope it wasn't a long one...

    By Blogger Bala (Karthik), at Thu Jun 07, 10:46:00 AM  

  • media hype enpathu rajinikku mattum exclusivenu naan ninaikkavillai. we are living at a time where superstars appear in all interviews and proclaim their status (shah rukh khan keeps saying 'i'm the best' in his interviews) and do talk shows promoting their movies ad nauseum (aamir khanlerunthu vishal/simbu varaikkum pannittu thaan irukkanga). did sivaji even have a decent press conference or a launch? promotiona vidunga, can you remember the last time rajini gave a proper interview to the press? if the media and fans take upon themselves to pass around bit after bit of leaked and often incorrect info and generate hype on a film, hows the film's lead actor (technically, his responsibility in the movie ends with being an actor and nothing more) to be blamed?

    why did your so-called world famous star didn't dissolve his fan clubs, who were basically wasting their time, energy and money. He was selfish Using his fans for vested interests with political overtones and contradictory statements - TN people "kari pusitaanga" - that is a different story :)

    If idiots claim Steven spielberg is the best - those who really know and have gained enough acquaintance and knowledge would laugh at it. And thats what we're doing now. Moreover, if we can't stand the double standards which is even bullshit, We will diss it. It's as simple as that.

    i'm not drawing comparisons but hasnt maruthanayagam, a film that no one's even sure would be made at all, been getting print and tv space for years together now? isn't that hype? wasnt vettaiyadu vilayadu and its so called super success hyped? lagaan, mani ratnam, cheran, autograph, selvaraghavan, bala, vikram... arent these all in some way products of hype? i think yes and i could be wrong. the point is media is not doing a favour to anyone. they back only the winners.

    There is a difference in hyping Bradman, Ponting and Gautam gambir.

    when baba bombed, wasn't rajini disowned like dirt by the same media? didnt everyone from bharathiraja to vijayakanth to sathyaraj to vadivelu make statements against him. didnt the same media (barring n ram and the hindu) call him a traitor? if the guy realises that this is an industry run in turn by sycophants and backstabbers and play his cards accordingly, i'd say hes damn smart and nothing less.

    YES. Same example, When sehwag gets out for a duck. We will ridicule him. And he deserves it. What's wrong in it?

    more on the hype, i dont think he has sold out like our other mass icons either (read bachchan, sachin and khan). we can only imagine the kind of money if he says yes to endorsing a product.

    Yes. But his products are substandard and that being hailed while others like TR, etc being dissed is unacceptable (leave endorsing other products). This is an escapist argument. If I don't endorse pepsi but still make a product like Bovonto (lets say) - Would you care to drink it? What if it tastes bad? Am I allowed to criticize or not?

    on quality and about doing the same trash over and over, yes he can drift out and do serious stuff. its sad that he doesnt.

    Extremely debatable. Don't get judgemental when he hasn't given a single serious stuff for a long time. He lost his Voice, his acting skills (which was decent before), etc ..etc! Don't tell me age has caught up or he 'chose' to make "crap" because he could affort to drink baccardi and drive in a ferrari. Even I can make "bovonto" and claim that there are people who love the product and I make a huge profit making it. But there are few selected people who would care to test it and find it to be "bad" in every way that is possible. Telling such people to 'shut up' is unacceptable.

    but having said that its extremely illogical to expect a man who does one film in three years to change trends in an industry that has room for all kind of actors and films. the garbage is not from his house, he's just part of it.

    Major part of it - hence the deserved 'lash out'. I hope more people like Bala, diss and cuss such disgraceful products and their respective makers.

    as jaiganesh said, rajini has become a brand and an extremely popular one at that, whether we like it or not. i think that's why even the so called intelligent viewer shuns all the high brow world cinema fundas and relax all rules for rajini. like they do it in the west for spiderman :)

    so called intelligent viewer who turn hypocrites and loose their credibility - Case in point, an ass called Sudhish kamath!

    i dont think you are serious when you compare tr, vk or even vijay with rajini. if you take kamal out - he's obviously in a league beyond compare - who do you think is the most talented actor we have? i think i know :)

    old rajini was a decent actor. But right now, he is in the league of such extraordinary creatures. LEt's not bring this stupid logic that "he used to be good". There is a logical fallacy in that argument.

    And Excuse me, Vijaykanth, Satyaraj can 'act'. Especially SR - I think Rajini can call him a 'pangali' as they 'used' to give wonderful performances in their comfort zones. Right now - Total bullshit :)

    TPSK

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Thu Jun 07, 12:31:00 PM  

  • Thilak,
    Thanks for replying ma :) I was going to do the same.

    Raven,
    Let me summarize:
    1) Hype per se is not bad. Its when you apply certain filters and qualitative yardsticks that it doesn't look right.
    Thilak said it right. Of course Bradman got his hype. He deserved it.

    2) Interviews - That is exactly Rajini's USP. By not giving interviews, he achieves two benefits - (a) retains the air of exclusivity and (b)covers up his ignorance, stupidity and slurred speech in public.
    Infact, it is extremely naive of you to imagine Rajini endorsing products. Like i mentioned in (a), Rajini is very good in maintaining that exclusivity that no one in their right mind would go the endorsement way if they are in his shoes. Bollywood, Vella dhaadi Bachan ellam naama madichu consider panna vendam, indha vishayathula.
    Kamal gives interviews, yeah. Infact, if anything the media have been extremely ungrateful to him in this aspect. However, your attempt to compare what we are talking about as undeserved hype for Rajini and the interviews that Kamal (or anyone gives) is flawed.

    3) Hype, Marudhanayagam etc..: Neenga solradhu eppadi theriyuma irukku? You are quoting an article from TOI which is not only true for a change, but also has some social/political/scientific/economic significance. Yes, TOI does post such articles, but that's not the norm. We are talking about what any other X newspaper does and what TOI does.
    Similarly, Marudhanayagam got hype - of course! Why shouldn't it? How can that justify the hype given to Rajini looking ugly and stupid in Sivaji and apllauded for the same with unprecedented frenzy by the public and media all over TN?


    4) Barathiraaja and others dissed Rajini not (only) because of the Baba black sheep debacle. Its mainly because of Rajini's lack of principle and his misleading of his fans as per his vested interests. ennamo Rajini-ya thyaagi madhiri project panreenga?
    neenga solra media dhaan Baba flop-e illa nu solludhu! idhukku enna solreenga?

    5) Rajini is just a part of it, once in 3 years and all that crap:
    Again, that's his strategy. varushathukku oru padam podhum, kudukka sollunga paappom? Lets see what happens to his so-called success rate. I repeat, it is this exclusivity and the media hype that's keeping him afloat, apart from his obvious "charisma" and pull that brings the masses to see him.

    6) Quality, intelligence etc:
    What is your real stand?.
    Do you agree that what he's been doing for a long time now is the same recycled crap? You seem to, lookign at your last comment (making him look like a victim).
    If so, when you talk about brand, intelligence, "forget everything for 3 hours" etc, are you talking for yourself or not?
    For a change, let's see a Rajini apologizer speaking for himself/herself, rather than being a mouth-piece of the cliched rickshaw-karan.
    Rickshaw-karan "3 hour forgetting" funda ku apparam varuvom. What about YOU? You like the stuff he is dishing out and are unashamed about it? seri, Rajini is doing it because "the fans want it!", "market demands" etc. Stop looking over your shoulder at the masses and market and answer why you take pride in lapping up the crap he gives in his movies and defending it, albeit putting the blame on the rickshaw-karan.

    Rajini-ya vidunga, rickshaw-karan a vidunga. neenga yen paakkareenga?
    "enakku high brow ellam venaam. superman spiderman podhum. 3 hours blah blah..." - I think this is/will be your answer.
    then you have no freakin business dissing TR,Chimpu, Visay, Jai Akarsh etc or their fans

    Disclaimer:
    "Hasn't Kamal acted in crap films? Was Vettaiyaadu Vilaiyaadu a classic?"
    - A big Yes for the first question and a no for the second.
    However, he cleans up his crap in his "other" movies. Secondly, even in his so-called crap movies, he has something for the viewer with this acting. Yes, VV was a pretty ordinary film but when we look around, we don't see much, do we?

    By Blogger Bala (Karthik), at Thu Jun 07, 01:26:00 PM  

  • My few pennies worth thought....(As if this was what you folks were all waiting for :) )
    1)I wouldn't dream fo watching Sivaji, simply because Rajini's movies(except his earlier ones) fail to interest me. Same with Shankar. Their movies are not art by any means and are not fun as far as I am concerned, though it may be to others.

    2)But I am not ready to make comments on his make up or how he romances. That is perspective dependent. I know people who find the Kamal and Sukanya kissing scene in Mahanadi to be vulgar or tiltillating. I find it beauutiful. I don't rate Aishwarya Rai very high on beauty scales. Not many would agree with me. I think Parthiban is a handsome man,because handsomeness to me is more than skin colour or conventional good looks.

    3)Hype of any one very good or plain oridnary does not make sense to me. A batsman of Bradman's stature especially does not need hype. Anyway the comparison itself is not tenable. If I take runs(money made at box office) instead of the dominance of the opposition(comfort zone) to be the criteria Rajini wold be the Bradman, while Kamal will have to stop with being a Sobers at max.

    4)The media will always back winners.....What i find irritating is media never backs quality output which might have lost. In a list of movies made on partition and hindu muslim problems, it would be very difficult to find the meniton of one Hey Ram, arguably one of the best movie made in India. Interestingly it is the only Pan-Indian movie. The rest are all either tamil or hindi or kannada movies.

    5. One thing severely wrong with Rajini is he is more worried about not losing money for his producers than making money for the thousands of workers who benefit when Rajini or anyone else makes a movie. I love Kamal for this. All said and done about art, movies are first and foremost an industry with thousands depending upon it. Without compromising much for his own image, he delivers products on a regular basis, which are also artistically good and entertaining. And except for alavandhan and anbe sivam kamal's flops of recent past have ben his own loss. In that way Kamal atleast gives back to the industry from which he is made much. I remember him conducting one make up work shop just after Indian or avvai shanmukhi, where he got some expert and got other budding make up artists to learn. Now that to me is something we should appreciate and look upto.
    This Rajini is not bothered about. And what surprises me more is when confirmed capitalists like Cho actually go out of their way to speak good of Rajini on this and that. God, invest man only that will your industry grow.

    By Blogger mutRupuLLi, at Thu Jun 07, 02:39:00 PM  

  • In defense of Rajini a few points:
    1. He makes 1 movie in 3 years or 3 movies in one year. this is not an important point. there are many stories floating around as to shy he chooses or chose to do so. Probably he wants to focus on other interests of his, spend time with his family after a good 3 decades of hectic running around. Secondly due to hype or exclusivity or sheer attraction, other movies are hit when his movie gets released. Other movies dont get theatres to start with. To avoid all this probably he decided to reduce his frequency. More than all these things, he has a different objective when it comes to movies. It is a business in which he feels that he is the principal. When someone starts thnking like that, then they will obviously start getting cautious and a bit over cautious too.
    2. As far as endorsements are concerned, he has made sure that he has his own brand called "Rajini" that should earn more for him instead of beeing in the hands of some cola who will ask him to sell their wares on his name. That is why you see Rajini endorsements coinciding with his movie release. Some biscuits had Rajini endorsements, but cleverly packaged as "movie ad". this way he ensures that the movie gains audience attention and particularly neutral audience attention. in both cases we see a very clever business brain behind. If not from his acting, we can really learn a thing or two from his business acumen.
    Kamal is an art lover who is doing a "Mission Impossible" by trying to entertain audiences across the spectrum through creativity and intelligence. If he sells, it is only his only the art and not the soul of it. He has policy not to do endorsements and his policies related to that might have found their voice in Nalla's voice in Anbe Sivam.
    Now Shivaji = Brand Rajini + Store Shankar + Chain AVM.
    So it is something aimed at Least Common denominator of arts and highest resale value. However when art takes a total back seat, and when clever puppies get proud, people might not lap them up. We could well be in for shocker of a theatre verdict on June 15th. The other event is a movie which predictably succeeded but only to be dethroned by a different brand,store and chain combination. In any event art dies asphyxiated in cinema.

    By Blogger V.P.Jaiganesh, at Thu Jun 07, 04:00:00 PM  

  • random points.

    even i don't buy the 'he used to be a good actor' thingy. i say, he IS a good actor. and no one can 'lose' acting skills. what makes the difference is motivation (rajini has practically none now i guess), intention (it's only about fans and more money for him) and exposure to good cinema and makers/writers who think beyond the ordinary (which he doesnt have).

    2-minute trailer paathittu sivaji gambhir endrum, yaarume paarkkaatha maruthanayagam bradman endrum already brand pannitteenga. naanga ini ennathe solrathu. vittrunga :)

    "tn makkal kari poosittaanga". yeah so whats the grouse now? why is it still being said that he enjoys undeserved and widespread adulation across the board? kari poosinathukku appram eppdi chandramukhi ottavechaanga?

    again, rickshaw-kaaran pathiyellaam naan pesave ille. let's get this straight. for me, rajini as an actor has not worked since thalapathi. and there has been NO film of his after thalapathi that i would rate as even above average.

    but, ennamo tamil cinema puratchigarama poittirukkrappo ivar thaan vanthu disai thiruppraarngra maathiriyellaam yean pesanum? pokkiriyum godfatherum anniyanum superhit aakira oru statele chandramukhi superhit aakrathu eppdi paarthaalum better.

    i didn't diss any actor or fan. yeanga, vaartahikku vaarthai mental, mental fannnu sollittirukkra neengale ippdi pesalaama? and btw, yaarintha jai akarsh?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Thu Jun 07, 05:39:00 PM  

  • Bala, It was a long comment but I'll post the cruz again anyway. Did you know that there was a program on Kamal(on the occasion of the FICCI award) last week in Jaya TV? I missed it as power supply went after the title credits. They had thanked IR, KB in the credits so it must have been worth watching. Ok, I'll come clean - it had IR in the title credits being thanked hence it must have been worth watching (KB enna sonna enakkenna - namma IR fanatic aache :-) )
    Question is did you watch it ?If so, can anyone who watched it share some info
    Also, if you missed it, dont you think there is merit in Jaiganesh's point that instead of worrying about sivaji kuppai, you should have simply ignored it and kept your antennae open for Kamal info :-)

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Thu Jun 07, 06:31:00 PM  

  • "even i don't buy the 'he used to be a good actor' thingy. i say, he IS a good actor. and no one can 'lose' acting skills. what makes the difference is motivation (rajini has practically none now i guess), intention (it's only about fans and more money for him) and exposure to good cinema and makers/writers who think beyond the ordinary (which he doesnt have)."

    Inda madhiri reasons yellarukkum irukku.. But that doesn't justify his products - his movies and his performance.

    ""tn makkal kari poosittaanga". yeah so whats the grouse now? why is it still being said that he enjoys undeserved and widespread adulation across the board? kari poosinathukku appram eppdi chandramukhi ottavechaanga?"

    I think it was clear what I said - He was selfish Using his fans for vested interests with political overtones and contradictory statements - TN people "kari pusitaanga" - that is a different story :)

    Now, what I meant to say was - how he was proved wrong in the election after his infamous olaral

    BTW, Chandramukhi ottavecha kadhai shanti theatre operator-ku daan theriyum :))

    "again, rickshaw-kaaran pathiyellaam naan pesave ille. let's get this straight. for me, rajini as an actor has not worked since thalapathi. and there has been NO film of his after thalapathi that i would rate as even above average."

    So, what is your point? We shouldn't bash post-thalapathi films(but you can), is it? Or we shouldn't call him 'mental' or his fans 'mental fans'. What is your point?

    "but, ennamo tamil cinema puratchigarama poittirukkrappo ivar thaan vanthu disai thiruppraarngra maathiriyellaam yean pesanum? pokkiriyum godfatherum anniyanum superhit aakira oru statele chandramukhi superhit aakrathu eppdi paarthaalum better."

    true!! Anniyan - crap. Pokkiri - crap. Chappamukhi - crap. So??? We will bash Shankar, vijay as well as Rajini :)

    "i didn't diss any actor or fan. yeanga, vaartahikku vaarthai mental, mental fannnu sollittirukkra neengale ippdi pesalaama?"

    Yeah. I shouldn't have used such terms. But then, most of his fans would either abuse me or my family if I criticize his works. So such retarded behaviour pattern has pushed us to call them as 'mental fans' and Rajini with all his illogical stuff as 'mental'.

    But still, I don't bash people and movies just for the heck of it. Only when I find few bullshit spreading around, I couldn't refrain. For example, calling 2 minutes of routine Shankar crap as 'super' is puke worthy. If I call 'bicycle thief' as bullshit - you're welcome to call me as a 'lobotomized dumb fuck'.

    "2-minute trailer paathittu sivaji gambhir endrum, yaarume paarkkaatha maruthanayagam bradman endrum already brand pannitteenga. naanga ini ennathe solrathu."

    Sorry, don't get me wrong. Gautam gambir-oda innings thaan sivaji. Trailer is like highlights.

    His best innings are '6irul mudhal 60 varai', 'aval appidithaan', 'mullum malarum', 'johnny', etc.. But not that many - I shall assure you.

    Moreover, MAruthanayagam trailer parunga. Enough said.

    -TPSK

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Thu Jun 07, 07:32:00 PM  

  • May I come in? I dont know if I am welcome here. Been a silent reader of your blog and I thought your last two posts deserve a comment from a Rajini fan.

    #1. Agree with almost all the points on the media hype and IMO he deserves it because his movies have never resulted in a loss in the last 12 years (baba, he gave some money back to the distributors) and a Rajini film means a LOT to the entire TF industry in terms of revenue generated.

    #2. Disagree with your KH cleaning his own crap thingi.. First of all why does he have to crap?

    #3. Spiderman/MI/James Bond padangaLukkum Adaptation pOnRa padangaLukkum irukkum vithiyaasam dhAn Rajini/Kamal padangalukku irukkum vithiyaasam. We have fans for both, more in number for the former.

    #4. On your previous post, you may not know the ground reality, I dont have constant touch with my Rajini fan folks back home, but I do speak with them once a month. The thing is being a fan of KH, you tend to magnify Rajini's mistakes and in the same way we do magnify KH's mistakes and I dont have a great opinion on his personal life. I can defend ALL your points in your last post, but certainly not at your *den* :)

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Thu Jun 07, 09:13:00 PM  

  • Raj,

    I think these are the interviews you are referring to

    Part1

    Part 2

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Thu Jun 07, 10:02:00 PM  

  • nerd,

    ungala madhiri yella fans-um irundha parava illayae!!! But most of them abuse and offend in every way possible. Bring personal life into the equation (and who gave them right to vandalize others life, 'voyeurism' in the first place?). Ippidi panna.. we can only generalize the fans and the star.

    -TPSK

    By Blogger ., at Thu Jun 07, 10:47:00 PM  

  • Sridhar,
    Points (3) and (4) contradict each other

    Jaiganesh,
    About endorsements: My point is/was this. Rajini is miles ahead of Aandavar in 'branding'. Still, Rajini and Aandavar together are in a different league compared to Vella dhaadi and SRK. That is, they will lose their "value" if they start endorsements, even assuming hypothetically that they have no problems personally in doing that. The reason is simply because in TN, someone like Rajini is way beyond the "saleable" zone. That is, it wouldn't make sense for him to start endorsing. The once-in-three years is something similar. I appreciate him for the former, while i wish he dares to do more films, as for the latter.

    raven,
    ennatha solradhu! sobaa...
    [Pointing finger at self, like Vadivel does in the bus in Vetri Kodi kattu, "Dei, onakku idhu venumda!"]

    Thilak,
    nalla sonneenga, especially the last point. idhu dhaan namma TN.
    makkaLe, Jaiganesh/Sridhar/Raj,
    Marudh trailer is beign compared with Sivaji trailer :((((
    "Aandava.. podhum.. nee padam eduthadhu podhum.."

    Nerd,
    enna ippadi kettutteenga? dhaaralama welcome :)

    #1) How many films did he do in the last 12 years.
    Baba was a flop, irrespective of the fact that he made a refund.
    appadi paatha Aandavar gave money back for Hey Ram also. He took a pay cut in Anbe Sivam, as he did in VV (it became a blockbuster however). So?
    Yes, naturally success breeds hype, and no one's contesting that. However, its the magnified and hyperbolic portrayal of that success which is the problem.
    edhukkellam hype, eppo ellam hype nu illama pochu. Its dictated by the market, yes, but that's exactly the point(!?!) of this post. Again, the classic TOI. Celebration of mediocrity.
    The revenue to the industry bit -the one man industry- is a tad overrated and overstated thing.

    #2) Show me ONE actor in the world who has
    a) been in the industry for so many years
    b) Done as many number of films
    c) Given as many memorable performances
    d) Shown so much genre-bustin variety
    e) Gone into so much depth like he has in some of his roles
    f) Achieved even a quarter of what he has achieved striving to balance art, entertainment and business
    You name any great actor and it can be shown that he has "crapped" too :)
    P.S: namma industry madhiri challenging/difficult industry vera edhuvum irukkumaannu therila. Especially for someone like Kamal.
    Also, we are kind of bankrupt when it comes to technology, screen-writers, directors, money and above all, AUDIENCE :)

    #4)
    The thing is being a fan of KH, you tend to magnify Rajini's mistakes
    I wouldn't, if the mistakes were highlighted enough and people knew/accepted them. indha obfuscation and glorification dhaane problem.

    I dont have a great opinion on his personal life
    till now in this post, i haven't stepped into *personal life*. I am talking about Rajini's *public* (political/social) life. The day he began to ride piggy-back on his popularity trying to channel that towards his vested interests, he is fair game to public scrutiny and criticism.
    Secondly, coming to *personal life*, engalai poruthavaraikkum, Kamal's conduct off-screen is much more commendable than his on-screen achievements and certainly better than other actors'.
    Rajini personal life pathiyum dhaan engalukku opinion suthama nalla illa. adhu vera vishayam.

    Raj,
    Also, if you missed it, dont you think there is merit in Jaiganesh's point that instead of worrying about sivaji kuppai, you should have simply ignored it and kept your antennae open for Kamal info :-)
    I didn't miss it. In the sense, though i don't get Jaya TV here and hence didn't get to watch it i saw the Youtube videos.
    FYI, my day starts and ends with a google news search on "Kamal Haasan" and "Kamal Hassan". I speak almost once in every three days with Chennai/Trichy fans about updates from Sir or Chandra Anna or fans etc.. mothathula s/w coolie-vela varum pogum, idhu mattum constant :)

    By Blogger Bala (Karthik), at Thu Jun 07, 11:19:00 PM  

  • And Nerd,
    yen "den" o illayo, enga venumnaalum idha solluven. Not in a place like the hub, about which the less said, the better.

    By Blogger Bala (Karthik), at Thu Jun 07, 11:34:00 PM  

  • Media hype pathi ellam pesaravangalukku oru chinna note/kostin:
    FICCI Living Legend Award vaangunadhukku enna hype kuduthaanga namma Tamil media? Not sure about the English print media.
    As always (when it comes to Kamal), Jaya TV had a good programme and one in SS Music too. Considering the scale of the achievement and the proportion of hype that is otherwise given to others, this is a shame.

    By Blogger Bala (Karthik), at Thu Jun 07, 11:45:00 PM  

  • Bala porumai! CM was not hyped at all. WHY? Baba was a flop, CM had a *dirty* director, a so-so MD. Now, Shankar is the most POPULAR director in TN. ARR is the most POPULAR MD in TN. Their combo is something special, right! Also the media is not hailing him as the best ACTOR or anything. Actually they dont know that Rajini can act, at least as much as what you know about his acting skills!

    On KH's living legend thingi, how many of us know about FICCI. Do you know who all have been honored b4 KH? Amitabh, dharmendra, shammi kapoor etc.., Now do you think that award deserved anything more then the coverage it got?

    Rajini-in public life is heavily influenced by cho, PC, sathyanaarayana, latha etc.., and I could write more.. neengale adutha post poitteenga.. and on the den thingi.. yes its ur den and you can write whatever and I dont want to argue against you, HERE. Hub-eh??? saniyan anga pogaamayum irukka mudiyala!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Fri Jun 08, 12:51:00 AM  

  • Bala, i think u r straining urself too much trying to expain things to people ...
    avangalukku puriyara maadhiri sollanumna,
    "puriyaravangalukku sollalanaalum puriyum, puriyaathavangalukku sonnalum puriyathu" ...
    avanga entha categorynu theriyala ...
    Btw, enna sir-nu ellam koopiddatheenga. naan chinna payyan ...

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Fri Jun 08, 01:44:00 AM  

  • Bala I dont understand your comment on my points 3 & 4 contradicting each other. Can you explain.

    By Blogger mutRupuLLi, at Fri Jun 08, 11:56:00 AM  

  • Just a small digression :

    Never compare Varalaaru with bakery , anniyan and chandramukhi.
    Almost all the *s in those three films had a safe ground. CM - remake of MC. bakery - no need to say. Anniyan - indian.

    But varalaaru atleast had a superb flashback with a hero like ajith *performing* the role of effeminate dancer ! movie might be average or good in others view. But a mass hero doing such a role is like walking on a DOUBLE EDGED SWORD. No hero in TF industry had done sucha role till now. But putting it along with bakery, CM and su... sorry anniyan is ridiculous. Success of Varalaaru is an advantage for the industry (atleast by a small %) when every mass hero goes after idiotic telugu stuff with characters that emulate telugu heroes, it was refreshing to see Ajith in that role and he did won hands down in a role that was written for KH and RK.
    / dig

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Fri Jun 08, 02:32:00 PM  

  • the ritch get ritcher, poovar get poovarar

    By Blogger pavan madhini, at Thu Jun 21, 06:29:00 AM  

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